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    Cohen’s admission doesn’t mean Trump is guilty, legal experts say

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...mission-794069

    on to the next attempt to take him out
    ah so criminal intent matters for trump. not for ding tho

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    Cohen’s admission doesn’t mean Trump is guilty, legal experts say

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...mission-794069

    on to the next attempt to take him out
    You're cheering for Trump's ignorance to protect him.

    TSA

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    "far from rock-solid proof that the president is also guilty, even if Cohen is being entirely truthful, "

    ... say SOME lawyers, not ALL lawyers, and NO judges.

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    You keep saying all this stuff in the dossier panned out. List it all right here.
    Dossier Claim: Russia Meddled

    Revelation: The U.S. intelligence apparatus concluded that Russia interfered in 2016’s election in a report released in January 2017. Though Steele’s name is not mentioned in that report, it does back up his reporting that Russia was actively interfering in the election process.

    Dossier Claim: Russia Had Dirt on Clinton and DNC

    Revelation: Much of the dossier is devoted not only to Trump but to Russia’s—specifically Putin’s—distaste for former Secretary of State Clinton. “Putin motivated by fear and hatred of Hillary Clinton,” one line of the dossier reads. Another line said: “The two sides had a mutual interest in defeating Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, whom President Putin apparently both hated and feared.”

    Steele later cites one source as stating Russia that was behind the leak of hacked Democratic National Committee (DNC) emails to WikiLeaks.

    The U.S. intelligence community confirmed not only that Russia had tried to meddle in the election but that it was the source of the hacked DNC emails released by WikiLeaks.

    Dossier Claim: Putin Was in Charge

    Revelation: On the very first page of the dossier, Steele explains that the election meddling was “endorsed by Putin” and that the effort was “both supported and directed” by him. The U.S. intelligence report reached the same conclusion, writing that Putin “ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the presidential election.” According to Steele’s sources, Putin and Russia had been cultivating Trump for “at least 5 years.”

    Dossier Claim: Russian Diplomat Was a Spy

    Revelation: Steele also claimed that Russia was worried a diplomat named Mikhail Kalugin was heavily involved in the meddling operation. Afraid he would be exposed, Russia pulled Kalugin out of Washington on “short notice.” Steele actually misspelled Kalugin’s name, but the U.S. government had identified Kalugin as a Russian spy, the BBC reported in March.

    Dossier Claim: Page Met With Russians

    Revelation: Carter Page previously denied having met with Russian government officials during his trip to Russia in July 2016, but he admitted to the meeting while speaking to the House Intelligence Committee last November. Page was a foreign policy adviser to Trump’s campaign and in June 2016 delivered a speech in Washington praising Putin. And as early as September 2016, U.S. officials were looking into Page’s contacts in Russia, Yahoo News reported.

    Dossier Claim: Manafort Received Payment for Work in Ukraine

    Revelation: Paul Manafort, who is facing serious charges from Mueller’s team, worked extensively in Ukraine for years before Trump hired him as campaign chairman in 2016. The longtime Washington lobbyist received $12.7 million from the political party of former pro-Russia Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych between 2007 and 2012, The New York Times reported on August 14, 2016. Manafort resigned from the campaign after that report.

    Steele’s dossier states that Yanukovych and Putin met the day after the story broke, and the former made assurances to the latter that no trail could be found.

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    Cohen’s admission doesn’t mean Trump is guilty, legal experts say

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...mission-794069

    on to the next attempt to take him out
    So Trump isn't evil, he's just an idiot.

    Got it.

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    Yep, Trump's base is a cult. He is all they know and all they ever want to know.
    I don't think there is really any other word for it at this point.

    cult
    kəlt/Submit
    noun
    a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
    "the cult of St. Olaf"
    a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
    "a network of Satan-worshiping cults"
    synonyms: sect, denomination, group, movement, church, persuasion, body, faction
    "a religious cult"
    a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.

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    So Cohen pleaded guilty to multiple felonies to pwn the Democrats with votes the Republicans already had.

    lol another conspiracy

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    So Cohen pleaded guilty to multiple felonies to pwn the Democrats with votes the Republicans already had.

    lol another conspiracy

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    No wonder he got immunity

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    TSA reduced to proclaiming Trump is too stupid to know he broke the law after talking to his lawyer.

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    use your words TSA.

    comey - we shouldn't prosecute clinton because we couldnt find she had criminal intent
    you - trump is innocent because he didnt know it was illegal

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    use your words TSA.

    comey - we shouldn't prosecute clinton because we couldnt find she had criminal intent
    you - trump is innocent because he didnt know it was illegal
    In my own words? You’re a lawyer who’s ignorant of the laws even after having them spoon fed to you.

    Hillary—no intent needed to convict
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

    Trump—intent needed to convict
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30109

    today’s lawyers

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    Lanny is the gift that keeps on giving. He’s already had to walk that back.





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    Never thought I'd see a celebrity that the National Enquirer would buy stories about just to NOT publish them, nor a leader that InfoWars conspiracy theorists would trust implicitly. Yet we have both with one man.

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    In my own words? You’re a lawyer who’s ignorant of the laws even after having them spoon fed to you.

    Hillary—no intent needed to convict
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

    Trump—intent needed to convict
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30109

    today’s lawyers
    So what is stopping Trump from indicting Hillary, TSA?

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    In my own words? You’re a lawyer who’s ignorant of the laws even after having them spoon fed to you.

    Hillary—no intent needed to convict
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

    Trump—intent needed to convict
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30109

    today’s lawyers
    Our investigation looked at whether there is evidence classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on that personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way, or a second statute making it a misdemeanor to knowingly remove classified information from appropriate systems or storage facilities.
    Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

    In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quan ies of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

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    Our investigation looked at whether there is evidence classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on that personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally OR in a grossly negligent way, or a second statute making it a misdemeanor to knowingly remove classified information from appropriate systems or storage facilities.
    f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any do ent, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
    Shall be fined under this le or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793


    “Electronic records show Peter Strzok, who led the investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server as the No. 2 official in the counterintelligence division, changed Comey's earlier draft language describing Clinton's actions as "grossly negligent" to "extremely careless," the sources said.”
    https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/polit...mey/index.html

    today’s lawyers quoting Comey

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    f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any do ent, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
    Shall be fined under this le or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793


    “Electronic records show Peter Strzok, who led the investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server as the No. 2 official in the counterintelligence division, changed Comey's earlier draft language describing Clinton's actions as "grossly negligent" to "extremely careless," the sources said.”
    https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/polit...mey/index.html

    today’s lawyers quoting Comey
    So what is stopping Trump from indicting Hillary, TSA?

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    today’s lawyers quoting Comey
    crofl

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    f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any do ent, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
    Shall be fined under this le or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793


    “Electronic records show Peter Strzok, who led the investigation of Hillary Clinton's private email server as the No. 2 official in the counterintelligence division, changed Comey's earlier draft language describing Clinton's actions as "grossly negligent" to "extremely careless," the sources said.”
    https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/polit...mey/index.html

    today’s lawyers quoting Comey
    yes, that was included in the section i quoted, thanks

    as for the CNN article (CNN good now)... you left out the very next stanza

    The drafting process was a team effort, CNN is told, with a handful of people reviewing the language as edits were made, according to another US official familiar with the matter.
    and of course, further down...

    CNN reported in November that Comey and his FBI colleagues were "playing with the language" throughout the process of drafting Comey's statement on Clinton, believing that they needed to condemn the former secretary of state's handling of classified information, while also making clear they would not recommend criminal charges, according to a source familiar with the FBI decision.

    those changes were made after they had already determined they wouldn't be pressing charges. its ludicrous to imply that strzok managed to sneak in some language without any approval and only as a result of those edits, they didnt press charges

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    Today's 4chan conspiracy theorists using Derp schtick

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