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    This is what I mean by the inherent advantages Golden Boy enjoys. You say anything negative about him or attempt to contextualize him and you're a "hater" or "not appreciating greatness". Where's this crap when it comes to Bryant, James, Durant, etc.?

    He can simultaneously be one of the all time talents and a little puke who has had a silver spoon the majority of his career.

    The REAL Team USA Basketball is playing now 8:30 AM CST
    I admit I'm late to this party, so maybe I've missed something that proves otherwise, but from what I've seen, this is how you conduct yourself (especially when your performance doesn't measure up to the talent differential).

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    Breanna with that deflection was huge

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    Crucial win for Team USA Women's basketball since I think we're down like 2 golds on China

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    Curry is one of the greatest. Lebron is one of the greatest. So yeah, we definitely see some behave that way. MJ and Kobe disrespected the game far more with their off-court than anyone on Team USA this year.
    1- I never argued their greatness, I acknowledged it. Not the point

    2- MJ or Kobe NEVER behaved that way unless they had to answer a provocation/agression. It's called class and respect, it's part of the education that clearly a huge part of the new generation in the US lacks

    3- Quite surprising that a Spurs fan, who I assume admires the Admiral and TD or the Spurs's way in general, would defend those type of behavior...

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    1- I never argued their greatness, I acknowledged it. Not the point

    2- MJ or Kobe NEVER behaved that way unless they had to answer a provocation/agression. It's called class and respect, it's part of the education that clearly a huge part of the new generation in the US lacks

    3- Quite surprising that a Spurs fan, who I assume admires the Admiral and TD or the Spurs's way in general, would defend those type of behavior...
    1 - the point is they are part of the sample of greats. They don't have to try to emulate Kobe or Jordan. They are themselves worthy of emulation.

    2 - No, they just gambled and assaulted women. So classy of them.

    3 - It's not surprising that despite being a Spurs fan, I'm not so puritan in my ways that I can't accept and appreciate greats who do things differently. I'm quite secure in my fandom. The Spurs gave as good as they got from Kobe, James and Curry. I see no reason to hold hard feelings about any of them.

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    What a crushing ending

    Congats to those ladies, the made us proud
    Wow, I wasn't able to watch it. Just looked at the score. Is the French women's team that good, or did they just play their best today and almost pulled the upset?

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    This is a sporting event, not a UN summit. Don't have a cheering (and booing) crowd there if you don't want guys to play to it. When Yabusele or Wemby starts beating their chests to the crowd, it's fine, but when Curry and James do it, it's unprofessional?
    It's not the chest bumping bit how they touted the french players and the crowd (and you got to understand you're on a foreign country in the Olympics).

    But tbh, people already say Curry is very obnoxious and full of himself in the NBA, and I never liked his at ude/demeanor (not to mention the tooth stuff chewing which is kind of gross if you ask me), so just saying.

    A bit of class never hurts, specially when you're the best.

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    These are the same old, irrelevant defenses for this type of putrid behavior.

    It doesn't matter how great one is or that they're allowed to do so, it doesn't make it any less deplorable and I don't see what off court behavior has to do with on court decorum.

    A bit of class never hurts, specially when you're the best.


    It's even worse when you're playing teams with one player who could make yours, barely holding them off and then acting as if you overcame something.
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    It's even worse when you're playing teams with one player who could make yours, barely holding them off and then acting as if you overcame something.
    Now let’s not act like it’s not a huge accomplishment to sacrifice and fill in role player roles when you’re not used to being one. Seems like everyone doesn’t understand how handicapped these guys are having to go from being THE GUY on their teams to trying to do stuff they are uncomfortable doing. Team USA can’t “out role player” these TEAMS full of role players after just a few weeks of trying to learn to play with each other. And those teams were playing out of their minds against USA with supreme focus because they wanted to win so badly. They didn’t have any pressure because they were expected to lose. It’s crazy that people don’t realize this. This is not gonna be easy anymore like in 1992 when other countries were in awe of NBA players and barely even wanted to touch them because of how much they feared and respected them. That ship has sailed now. So yes they can start celebrating and being proud of winning because it’s going to be tough from here on out.

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    I'm not a fan of the "night night" move or the "too short" taunt that's so popular now, or Bogdanovic's three to the dome thing that he got from Melo, but I feel like I can separate that from the players themselves. These are uber compe ive athletes in the heat of the moment. I was trying to think of an analogy for this type of thing in another area, and the one that came to mind was Bill Burr's and Dave Chappelle's comedy. I think they're both funny as , but there are definitely times when they each cross the line-- and it's ok to say there are individual jokes that you don't especially love while still saying they're great comedians. Just like basketball has that ultra compe ive element that pushes players to behave a certain way, comedy has that provocateur angle that encourages pushing the envelope and harping on taboo subjects, and it'd be impossible to always dance around that line of what's considered appropriate in most settings without ever crossing it. It's possible to dislike some things that Curry, Lebron, Bogdan, and others do but still admire them as great basketball players.

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    1 - the point is they are part of the sample of greats. They don't have to try to emulate Kobe or Jordan. They are themselves worthy of emulation.

    2 - No, they just gambled and assaulted women. So classy of them.

    3 - It's not surprising that despite being a Spurs fan, I'm not so puritan in my ways that I can't accept and appreciate greats who do things differently. I'm quite secure in my fandom. The Spurs gave as good as they got from Kobe, James and Curry. I see no reason to hold hard feelings about any of them.
    1- Who talked about "emulating MJ or Kobe"?? The point from the start is that 2 truths can coexist, their greatness on the floor and some critics on their behaviours.

    2- How is that relevant in any way with what's happening on a basketball court or behaviour vs opponents? (the topic of the convo iirc)

    I could've used dozens of fomer greats, none are known to lack class when they... won! It's a new behaviour, let's not act as if it's always been that way.

    that's the worst part, u can excuse/understand sore losing, but telling the team u just beat, you were heavily favorite against, full of euro players, some without contracts and a kid/best player not allowed to drink alchool yet in the US, to go to sleep... is at best cringe but 100% unnecessary and unclassy

    3- Why go to that extreme? Puritan?? U don't have to have extremists views to dislike unnecessary trash talking in national teams compe ions (it's not the NBA/club's compe ions)

    + It had nothing to do with Spurs competing vs Lakers or Wariors but Spurs historically acting and teaching the right way. I'm not talking about Pop's political/woke views, I'm talking about behaving the right way on and off the court, getting over your ego and globally acting in a classy way.

    That's litterally what Spurs are known for and attracted me as a non Texan/US kid

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    Wow, I wasn't able to watch it. Just looked at the score. Is the French women's team that good, or did they just play their best today and almost pulled the upset?
    I don't follow them much, but watching their semi vs Belgium, I expected grit but not that kind of beautiful play tbh

    Waaaayy better than the men's basketball wise, (point) guards play, rotations, passing, shooting... wow

    I was really impressed

    Maybe it was just the US being bad, I don't know enough to say

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    OT but I forgot about this from 2023 // Yabusele vs Exum


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    It's kinda crazy to think that Phoenix has two guys on Team USA who both performed really well, but they're still rarely mentioned as challengers for a le next year. I think adding Tyus Jones was a great move for them, and if Ryan Dunn's great D/absence of shooting is going to work anywhere, Phoenix is probably one of the best candidates.

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    Sorry, we can't part ways with David Duke Jr.

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    It's kinda crazy to think that Phoenix has two guys on Team USA who both performed really well, but they're still rarely mentioned as challengers for a le next year. I think adding Tyus Jones was a great move for them, and if Ryan Dunn's great D/absence of shooting is going to work anywhere, Phoenix is probably one of the best candidates.
    The problem with Phoenix is they are literally a three-man crew. They put ALL of their money into Booker, Durant, and Beal...which seems like a decent big three on paper, but they have no depth.

    Durant and Beal are getting older and have been injury-prone, so all it will take is one strained hamstring or sprained ankle to derail their playoff hopes

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    OT but I forgot about this from 2023 // Yabusele vs Exum

    Darn, no idea why I can't see these tweet. I have to do what Exstatic said and click reply and then I see the link.

    Man Guerschon picked up Dante and slammed him to the ground. Looks like he's not afraid of a bit of a scuffle .


    Wow. So I am guessing he definitely wants to come to the NBA? I wonder what his contract status in Spain is (when does their season start?), and does he have an opt out if an NBA team wants to sign him, or is he locked in and can't leave? Not sure how EU contracts work.

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    Now let’s not act like it’s not a huge accomplishment to sacrifice and fill in role player roles when you’re not used to being one. Seems like everyone doesn’t understand how handicapped these guys are having to go from being THE GUY on their teams to trying to do stuff they are uncomfortable doing. Team USA can’t “out role player” these TEAMS full of role players after just a few weeks of trying to learn to play with each other. And those teams were playing out of their minds against USA with supreme focus because they wanted to win so badly. They didn’t have any pressure because they were expected to lose. It’s crazy that people don’t realize this. This is not gonna be easy anymore like in 1992 when other countries were in awe of NBA players and barely even wanted to touch them because of how much they feared and respected them. That ship has sailed now. So yes they can start celebrating and being proud of winning because it’s going to be tough from here on out.
    Are you serious? This is the definition of first world problems. Instead of choosing from a menu of All-NBA and All-Star caliber players, try having to rely on washed Fournier or De Colo as your primary ball handler in "crunch time" of the gold medal game.

    If you can space the floor or vertically space and be neutral or greater defensively, then it really just comes down to being willing to subjugate your ego. That's made easier by the fact that they know it going in due to the talent and that they're virtually guaranteed gold. Also, many of them either will never win another NBA championship or won't win one period.

    Sure, it's not as easy as '92, but let's not act like it took a herculean effort either. If anything, they should be embarrassed at the relative struggle in some of the games.

    It's kinda crazy to think that Phoenix has two guys on Team USA who both performed really well, but they're still rarely mentioned as challengers for a le next year. I think adding Tyus Jones was a great move for them, and if Ryan Dunn's great D/absence of shooting is going to work anywhere, Phoenix is probably one of the best candidates.
    In secondary roles over a relatively small sample size. Durant's MVP caliber days are over, Booker's never began, Beal's All-Star caliber days are a thing of the past and they're a small, defensively challenged team that lacks athleticism and volume 3-point shooting.
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    Wow. So I am guessing he definitely wants to come to the NBA? I wonder what his contract status in Spain is (when does their season start?), and does he have an opt out if an NBA team wants to sign him, or is he locked in and can't leave? Not sure how EU contracts work.


    If Spurs want him, which I'm doubting, they still have the room exception to sign him.

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    If Spurs want him, which I'm doubting, they still have the room exception to sign him.
    Do you think he's a player worth adding to the team, or not really?

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    Who would win in a 7-game series: Team USA or the Celtics?

    I say Team USA probably still, but in 6 games.

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    Who would win in a 7-game series: Team USA or the Celtics?

    I say Team USA probably still, but in 6 games.
    Celtics have to inside game, key in FIBA bb, they'd get eaten alive in the Olympics

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    As much as I believe Yabusele can be an NBA player, he just doesn't fit our roster (he is no real upgrade over Barnes, Keldon, Julian, Sochan, Mamu). It only could be used as a favour to Wemby or in order to build a French Spurs lineup (eg if we get Traore and others).

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    You can have massive respect and admiration for his game, but find his constant disrespect of his opponents pathetic and lacking class.

    You'd neve see MJ, Kobe or any of the greatest behave that way
    Is this a joke?

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