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    He's not Kawhi Leonard, but he totally would be starting if he were on the Clippers. And he played no time at the four tonight, so I don't agree that he was responsible for Cole heating up. But he does need to learn how to box out bigger guys effectively. He could guard his man, and his man couldn't guard him. So yeah, I think he's capable of being a starter right now.
    He doesn't have to play the 4 to help rebounding. That's what Kawhi always does even though he doesn't play the 4 either, especially when you have Tim having to box out guys like DeAndre. He might not be athletic but he's long and he's not generally a poor rebounder. And, yeah, we definitely disagree about starting.

    All that said, I still can't pin this game on him (or Simms for that matter). You gotta have your more experienced guys show up and they didn't tonight.

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    He's not Kawhi Leonard, but he totally would be starting if he were on the Clippers. And he played no time at the four tonight, so I don't agree that he was responsible for Cole heating up. But he does need to learn how to box out bigger guys effectively. He could guard his man, and his man couldn't guard him. So yeah, I think he's capable of being a starter right now.
    I thought Kyle did a good job of boxing out much bigger opponents on several occasions in the 4th quarter and pulled down a couple of tough rebounds.

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    I mean if the excuse was rust in the Miami game, I don't know how having another week off was going to improve that. Whole team looked rusty today, so I'd say that it's a factor. If he still looks out of sorts next week, it's a bigger issue.



    Nah, Simmons was toxic waste tonight. Pretty much any time he touched the ball, some awful would happen. He couldn't guard anybody. I actually think the stats were WAY too kind to him. He should have had a couple more TOs, like the one where he missed the Parker pass that hit him in the hands. Worst Spur by far tonight. In fact, Pop pretty much lost the game when he kept putting Simmons in early. Anderson was the much better player. He was the only guy who gave Paul trouble when guarding him. I wished he had hit some more of his inside looks, but the dude was the best Spur tonight.

    Honestly, more Anderson and West and less Simmons and Diaw would have been huge. There was definitely a rust and effort issue tonight, but that rotation change would have helped a ton.
    I beg to differ on Anderson. He was putrid, too, especially in that stretch where we could have cut the lead to four when he took terrible shots, got away with a travel on one of his makes, and played awful perimeter defense. He shouldn't be on a NBA team vying for the championship.

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    Kyle can't start for any contending team. Just not possible. You can't help defense, rebound, defend at all, slash at all, iso at all, shoot the 3, slow ass shot.......

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    Smarty pants you know what I'm talking about. LMA was on the right wing w/ Moute on him & the side was cleared but he couldn't back him down. Spacing:
    Spacing is still an issue on iso plays. That is what I'm saying. And yes, I think LMA just wet the bed. But there may be something to him not playing as well with a center next to him.

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    I beg to differ on Anderson. He was putrid, too, especially in that stretch where we could have cut the lead to four when he took terrible shots, got away with a travel on one of his makes, and played awful perimeter defense. He shouldn't be on a NBA team vying for the championship.
    I don't think his man scored on him outside of that Pierce foul that shouldn't have ended up in FTs. And again, his line wasn't putrid. He just should have taken more shots.

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    Kyle anderson 28 minutes 3 rebounds...

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    The 2012-13 and 2013-14 Spurs would absolutely crush this team .

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    I'm loving the fact the team is getting humiliated by the Cripples on national TV while Porker/Pop embarrass themselves.........no more Kawhi is a system player narrative.
    Its actually kind of sick that you enjoy the team loosing just bc your favorite player is not playing. You showed your colors.

    You have to learn from ElNono. Manu got injured and time and I again I see him wishing the team well, despite knowing in his heart of hearts without a 100% healthy Manu we ain't getting far.

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    Its actually kind of sick that you enjoy the team loosing just bc your favorite player is not playing. You showed your colors.

    You have to learn from ElNono. Manu got injured and time and I again I see him wishing the team well, despite knowing in his heart of hearts without a 100% healthy Manu we ain't getting far.
    Thanks for the kind words, even though I know you know I'm sometimes tough on your boy Anderson...

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    ElNono out here trolling though...Ask my negro Brazil SAGirl doesn't see it?

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    ElNono out here trolling though...Ask my negro Brazil SAGirl doesn't see it?
    why am I trolling? I'm having a good convo before going to bed... I actually went to shoot some hoops before the game, after many years, and once I heard Kawhi was out, I kinda felt we were not going to win this... but you know, I still want my Spurs to win...

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    He's not Kawhi Leonard, but he totally would be starting if he were on the Clippers. And he played no time at the four tonight, so I don't agree that he was responsible for Cole heating up. But he does need to learn how to box out bigger guys effectively. He could guard his man, and his man couldn't guard him. So yeah, I think he's capable of being a starter right now.
    I thought he didn't fit with the staring unit. He didn't help rebounding (had part of the blame on Aldrich dominating in the 1st half), he had his own 3 turnovers, 2 costly ones at the start of the 4th, when we were carrying momentum from the end of the 3rd quarter... but, again, I don't think he sucked or anything, he was just over his head at times, IMO... I expect him to be further along than Simmons at this stage, but he's clearly not ready to compete against other team's starters, especially decent teams like the Clippers...
    He could be further along if he was allowed to plow through and play regularly, which bc we are a contending team he doesn't and he was yanked early season for a single mistake not to take the floor again. . . early season, precisely when you would expect him to get experience.

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    why am I trolling? I'm having a good convo before going to bed... I actually went to shoot some hoops before the game, after many years, and once I heard Kawhi was out, I kinda felt we were not going to win this... but you know, I still want my Spurs to win...

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    He could be further along if he was allowed to plow through and play regularly, which bc we are a contending team he doesn't and he was yanked early season for a single mistake not to take the floor again. . . early season, precisely when you would expect him to get experience.
    If his contract would be up at the end of this season, I'm not sure the Spurs would splurge the $3m on him, tbh... I was just thinking that. He's going to be locked behind Kawhi as long as he's here, but then the Spurs also have to consider that Kawhi might be a bit fragile, and perhaps vet minimum guy might be better. Then again, he's probably going to be around for another two seasons, so if he improves and accepts the fact that he'll be in Kawhi's shadow, there might be a place for him in the team.

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    Pop is an egotistical prick but he run plays for anderson in the post so the team can play with a more familiar offensive routine. Not sure why fans are having trouble understanding this. Thats the reason why Kyle gets post touches when Kawhi is out.

    If you're late to the punch, the offense kinda revolves around Leonard now. That's how the spurs wants to play..unless of course you are chinook, and demand this kind of basketball to get kawhi waiting in the corner.

    This is what cute posters like Chinook and midnightpulp dont understand. You always build around your best player that can deliver.

    The spurs lost too because it was evident they were not comfortable in the offense. If they had time to adjust, they would have won. They are just kinda use to kawhi now making basket.

    Kinda thew off their rhytem. Killed Aldridge spacing and forced other players to play offensive roles they are not used to.

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    Its also pretty evident that Kawhi is becoming as valuable as Tim 2003-2007, the only issue is that Tim wasnt so fragile.

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    If his contract would be up at the end of this season, I'm not sure the Spurs would splurge the $3m on him, tbh... I was just thinking that. He's going to be locked behind Kawhi as long as he's here, but then the Spurs also have to consider that Kawhi might be a bit fragile, and perhaps vet minimum guy might be better. Then again, he's probably going to be around for another two seasons, so if he improves and accepts the fact that he'll be in Kawhi's shadow, there might be a place for him in the team.
    I don't think he will be in Kawhi's shadow, bc that is not a Spursy theme TBH. Playing behind Kawhi in minutes is maybe what you meant... but he's versatile and can give you minutes at both forward spots. In due time, who knows, the league is more positionless than ever. Multiple teams have several forwards of kawhi's and his size playing together and mixing and matching with the bench. If Spurs wanted to keep him they can work him in for sure. If what you mean is playing time that can become a factor, but I see a CoJo scenario for him. Rookie scale deals are so cheap that you are not going to get another young player with his upside in any other way. You might get a Rasual Butler, who yes, he has looked good, but he was washed up by this time last season bc the Wizards overplayed him and he didn't have anything left after the all star break.

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    Pop is an egotistical prick but he run plays for anderson in the post so the team can play with a more familiar offensive routine. Not sure why fans are having trouble understanding this. Thats the reason why Kyle gets post touches when Kawhi is out.

    If you're late to the punch, the offense kinda revolves around Leonard now. That's how the spurs wants to play..unless of course you are chinook, and demand this kind of basketball to get kawhi waiting in the corner.
    That actually reminds me of how CoJo provided a facsimile of Tony, however lacking, just so the SL could keep their sets etc makes perfect sense. It did mean that when CoJo was playing, other guys in that SL needed to increase their output bc CoJo wasn't going to produce everything that Tony did, he just allowed them to keep a semblance of their sets and familiarity.

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    why am I trolling? I'm having a good convo before going to bed... I actually went to shoot some hoops before the game, after many years, and once I heard Kawhi was out, I kinda felt we were not going to win this... but you know, I still want my Spurs to win...
    That is why I like you despite not seeing eye to eye. True Spur fan. Still wants us to win... actually gives heat to some guys who pissed this game out.. but really bc you wanted us to get this win even shorthanded.

    and yes:

    and sadly this guy was missing tonight:

    and this guy did he show up:

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    Spurs are back looking like the most shiny fools gold ever ...

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    Spacing is still an issue on iso plays. That is what I'm saying. And yes, I think LMA just wet the bed. But there may be something to him not playing as well with a center next to him.
    This Chinook is to be on a season watch for the rest of the season.. more than spacing... I have rewatched games against the Pelicans and Magic. Without TD, the guys move faster on offense... it allows Lamarcus to grab position early, before defenses are fully set, sometimes he even gets position. How many times did we see him having to back down A.Davis for example, when he was playing next to Anderson at the 4, rarely if ever? The pace at which the team plays next to TD, reduces opportunities for Lamarcus to get relatively easy baskets where he just seals his man or even surprises him out of position while guarding him. I mean I missed all of TD minutes, which is why I have inquired so much about him.. but LMA was on a tear playing against much better forwards while not next to TD bc the team played faster. Once you get a few easy baskets you get in a rythm. Seems like he or others did not get a rythm. I could be completely wrong on this, so I will just shelve it in the list of things to watch while TD is playing.

    The fact Kawhi wasn't playing probably aggravated this bc Kawhi pushes the tempo by himself often, and gets an opportunity for himself, but also sometimes his effort benefits others, and LMA is one who scores some O putbacks or gets easy baskets too out of this. Its possible the way he was playing previously was completely thrown off.

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    I thought Kyle did a good job of boxing out much bigger opponents on several occasions in the 4th quarter and pulled down a couple of tough rebounds.
    The boxing out part gets overlooked by the casual fan... A guard may grab a board, but if Kyle or some other foward wasn't boxing out that would not have been possible. Thanks for pointing this out.

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    Spacing is still an issue on iso plays. That is what I'm saying. And yes, I think LMA just wet the bed. But there may be something to him not playing as well with a center next to him.
    It also has to do with the fact he can't beat SFs down the floor nor beat them off the dribble & Moute/Draymond aren't mediocre post defenders like Davis/Vuc. Playing center will best serve him on offense rather than trying to bully defensively competent undersized PFs.

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    Not really, they're missing Griffin. They play the Dubs well, aren't scared of them and know they gave away both games against them earlier in the season.
    Clippers still won't beat the Warriors. And they will have to face them first in the playoffs. Good luck with that.

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