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First 30/20/15 game since Wilt. Dude is insane.Literally MyCareer numbers.
First 30/20/15 game since Wilt. Dude is insane.Literally MyCareer numbers.
Jokic is a living basketball god. Absolutely incredible production. Really impressed by his work and what a likable super star too.
Hats off to Denver
This is probably a top 3 peak if we're being honest
Props to all GMs who missed him , hahahaha
Agreed tbh. Outside of Jordan and Lebron, not sure we've ever seen a better peak than this. Joker is destined for top-10 all time. He just needs another ring or two to cement it. Problem is I don't think his supporting cast is good enough to win another one right now, especially with Murray regressing this season. That team falls apart anytime he goes to the bench, much like Spurs with Wemby.
Kel'el Ware suddenly on a hot streak after being relegated to the bench for the majority of the season. He gave Wemby 25/8/2 the other night and followed that up with 2 more good performances. Shooting 40% from 3 on almost 2 attempts per game. Small sample size obv but he looks the part of a starting two-way C in this league. Was drafted 15th Overall out of Indiana last year.
Denver FO should be tried for war crimes if they don't win at least 3 rings with Jokic. This is turning out to be an all-time choke job by their FO if they don't win this year.
If Jokic wins 3 (or 2 chips and say 5 MVPs) we're going to have uncomfortable discussions when people start bumping Timmy off for Jokiceven now people are starting to say this and it doesnt sound THAT far off tbh
If this dude ends up being a player, it's going to be another guy we passed on for that 2031 Minnesota pick. As a backup Center too, a position we desperately need, no less.
Only PATFO robbed Wemby (of already 1 ASG, 1 DPOY and 1 ASG start)
It makes sense with the Spurs's ranking. The others have a status Wemby doesn't have and deserve it.
No idea why so many journalists want SGA MVP when Jokic is 10x more VALUABLE for his team than Shay
Wemby should've gotten the fan vote over KD. He should have had San Antonio and France behind him plus the other casual and bandwagon fans. Too bad Spurs fans think that the "all star game" is not "the spurs way" and spurs players "should be above it." This only works when you have a boring ass personality franchise guy in Timmy (no offense obviously) and you're winning chips every other year. Not in 2025 and certainly not with young superstars in this age.
I was voting with 2 accounts.
I mean they did a solid job surrounding him with role players initially imo. Drafting or bringing in guys like Murray, Gordon, MPJ, KCP, etc. Problem is:Denver FO should be tried for war crimes if they don't win at least 3 rings with Jokic. This is turning out to be an all-time choke job by their FO if they don't win this year.
If Jokic wins 3 (or 2 chips and say 5 MVPs) we're going to have uncomfortable discussions when people start bumping Timmy off for Jokic
A.) They lost KCP in Free Agency which was big and then didn't replace him with a viable starter, and
B.) They gave Jamal Murray that huge $208M extension after their Championship run and he immediately regressed lol.
Hopefully he regains form cause otherwise they're cooked. He's getting paid like a Max guy and not producing like one, and they really don't have much Cap flexibility right now with those two guys locked up. They're stuck in cap right now.
I know he won't do it, but if I were Harden, I would take a pay-cut to go ring chase and play with Joker next season tbh. He's a FA, they need another scoring guard, and Joker makes everyone around him so much better. Would give him by far his best chance at ringing before he retires.
KD is a legend of the game man. I wished as well Wemby had won over him (and Lerbon who's less deserving imo) but he's playing in SA who did the strict minimum since they draft him in terms of marketing and making the team attractive to the fans.
Had PATFO built not necessarily a contending team but just a slightly better roster Wemby would have been a no brainer.
Right now u have to be a Spurs fan to watch the Spurs.
Clippers have the better coach. It'd make more sense the other way around but Jokic isn't going anywhere imo
I already have Jokic at top 10, and he once again reinforces that using rings as a predominant measure to determine a player's ranking is inaccurate and mixes up team construction with individual brilliance. He's won 3 out of the last 4 (really should have been 4 straight) MVPs, carried a flawed Nuggets team to a le, putting up absolutely unprecendented numbers across the board, and even his lack of defensive game has been largely debunked.
Yes, he is right at his prime and his career advanced stats will drop, but at this point, he is the career leader in PER, WS/48, OBPM, and BPM. He has an on-off of over 20 2 years in a row and is doing it again this year.
As for team construction:
Jordan had Pippen (another top 25/30 player)
Lebron had Wade/Irving (one top 30, the other top 75)
Bird had McHale (top 35)
Magic had Kareem and vice versa, plus Worthy (top 10 and top 50)
Duncan had Robinson/Manu/Parker (top 25 even at tail end, and top 75)
Hakeem had Clyde (tail end) and a bunch of 3 point shooters
Wilt had West/Baylor (top 30) or Billy Cunningham/Chet Walker (top 75s)
Shaq had Kobe (top 20)
Moses had Dr. J (top 20)
Then Jokic had ..... Jamal Murray?
Lamelo Ball got snubbed hard also.
You know why Lebron and Curry is still so high in rankings despite being clearly over the hill?
The top videos were basically all Lebron-related (or straight out Lebron), Kobe or Curry ones. Sure those were good plays, great plays even, but should they have been that dominant in the list? I don't fully agree.
There were multiple mundane regular season game winning plays, but then Manu's series clinching block on Harden didn't make it, nor did his block on Durant. Horry's three to win in overtime of a pivotal game 5 of the finals was somehow less spectacular than his Game 4 game winning 3 vs. the Kings in the WCF.
Jokic himself should have at least 5 or 6 highlights in there with some of his insane passes and touch shots, but alas, none of them made it.
This is to a lesser extent, but Manu's dunk over the entire Suns team didn't make it.
Duncan's annihilation of Ben Wallace didn't make it, nor did his inbounds alley oop over the Bucks made it.
The NBA reaped what it sowed, decades of pushing only a small number of teams/players, and when those teams/players hit a lull, small market teams can't flourish.
I try to watch some games every night I'm at home, but it's been like 5 years since I watched the all-star game.
The definition of unwatchable and there's nothing that can save it.
They can try to bring back the compe iveness in dunk contests and that's about it.
3pt compe ion has been the only somewhat entertaining event over the past years.
It's better that Wemby didn't get selected as a starter, will just give him extra motivation.
He's the most casual of casual players. If you think he's an all star you don't know a thing about the game and should just go watch Fast and Furious movies for the rest of your life.
They’ve had a lot of more screw ups than that. It’s the worst combination of cheap ownership and poor decisions by the front office.
Main reason he was ahead was because he was top of the list of guards to choose.
Fans from the West often just mechanically choose in the East after selecting the players that matter to them
(added to his own fanbase of course)
i dno about blaming their FO. their roster now isnt tremendously different from the le roster. they lost kcp, but braun has stepped in nicely. they lost bruce brown as the swiss army knife in the backcourt, but tbh westbrook has been very good this year and better than brown ever was for themDenver FO should be tried for war crimes if they don't win at least 3 rings with Jokic. This is turning out to be an all-time choke job by their FO if they don't win this year.
If Jokic wins 3 (or 2 chips and say 5 MVPs) we're going to have uncomfortable discussions when people start bumping Timmy off for Jokic
strawther has come along nicely
their FRP daron holmes (a relatively pro ready 3 year college player) was lost before the season started
and i dno if you can blame FO for murray's decline at 27 years old (he has bounced back of late). gordon/mpj/murray/jokic are all in the midst of what are the typical prime years of a player. teams have limited ways to improve while holding 4 such players
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They were stuck in a lose/lose situation with Murray extension.
Wouldn't have gotten anything useful for him if they didn't extend him, but this deal is a huge overpay.
Failing to get better bench pieces is the big issue.
They have Saric's corpse 10/2 contract and Nnaji got 32/4.
Both are out of the rotaion.
Westbrook was Jokic's doing, Booth would've never gotten him if Jokic didn't ask for Russ.
To put things into perspective how good Jokic is, just look at 21-22 season.
Murray was out with ACL injury, MPJ went down after 9 games.
Jokic's only good teammate that year was Gordon.
The rest of the supporting cast that played more than 500 minutes that season was as follows:
Will Barton, Monte Morris, Jeff Green, Austin Rivers, Bones Hyland, Facundo Campazzo, JaMychal Green, Zeke Nnaji, Davon Reed, Bryn Forbes.
Jokic won 48 games with that rotation.
Everyone on that list was out of the league or catching DNPs in 2024 except Jeff Green.
That's what Jokic is dealing with for years.
They still can't get a useful backup big after all these years, Deandre is playing 12mpg this season, ffs.
Yes, players like Braun, Watson and Strawhter look good, but only because of Jokic.
It's embarrassing that by far the best player in the league can't have a half decent supporting cast.
Just think of our recent matchups with them, everyone except MPJ was awful.
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