Shams: Spurs Trade for Phoenix G Cam Payne

[baseline bum]

So what's the trade? Payne and a 2nd for a 2nd. How does that work?

They effectively gave up a second round pick in exchange for being able to salary dump Payne on the Spurs.

[Degoat]

I like the move but something’s gotta be brewing right? Payne, Osman, Bullock are solid vets but something doesn’t add up especially with Barlow and sidy not on deals yet

[sfernald]

Disagree. Spurs are already at the floor. They now have a legitimate roster crunch. They didn't take on yet another body just to gather in yet another second rounder. This is a signal that they don't have faith in the Wesley-as-a-point-gguard experiment to me.

Yeah, notice they waited until they got a good look at Wesley in Summer League before making this trade. I would have done the same thing based on his performance.

Also, one thing I’ll say about Payne is I think he’s a little underrated here. He did score 31/5/5 in a playoff game against Denver this year. He can really run hot on the threes which is nice to have. And I think he had a nice 29 point playoff game the year before. He has some real playoff experience and has played pretty well when given the minutes.

[exstatic]

yeah, notice they waited until they got a good look at Wesley in Summer League before making this trade. I would have done the same thing based on his performance.

Also, one thing I’ll say about Payne is a think he’s a little underrated here. He did score 31/5/5 in a playoff game against Denver this year. He can really run hot on the threes which is nice to have. And I think he had a nice 29 point playoff game the year before. He has some real playoff experience and has played pretty well when given some minutes in them.

Correlation <> causality. Could have been something on Phoenix’s end. Or, They might have been haggling over this since the draft.

[sfernald]

Correlation <> causality. Could have been something on Phoenix’s end. Or, They might have been haggling over this since the draft.

Maybe not or maybe. I would personally lean towards causality after watching him struggle myself.

[exstatic]

Maybe not or maybe. I would personally lean towards causality after watching him struggle myself.

And you’re 100% en led to hold whatever opinion on this matter. Could be that it was their only ending contract that would either fit in our space, or of a player they were willing to relinquish. Could be they couldn’t agree on the cash until now. I think there are a lot more reasons for the timing of this trade than cutting a FRP that has played 37 games.

[R. DeMurre]

I'd call it a fine baby steps move. I would've preferred Delon Wright, who looks like he's about to be traded to Charlotte-- he's 4" taller than Cam and a much better defender-- but I don't think it matters much in the big picture, where visions of a championship with Wembanyama are at least 4 years away anyway.

I wonder if deep down the Spurs are hoping for one more lottery pick before the Wemby era really kicks in, or if making the play in is an actual goal for year one.

[duncan2150]

I have seen reporting to the contrary on this - that because the Spurs acquired these players with cap space, they are able to aggregate them immediately.

Yes

[slick'81]

Good job spurs! You reached the floor and added another 2 to the war chest

[tbdog]

Gee, roster crunch. Birch has to go.

[sfernald]

And you’re 100% en led to hold whatever opinion on this matter. Could be that it was their only ending contract that would either fit in our space, or of a player they were willing to relinquish. Could be they couldn’t agree on the cash until now. I think there are a lot more reasons for the timing of this trade than cutting a FRP that has played 37 games.

I never said he’d be cut. Just not ready for minutes this year. Maybe never. But definitely not this year. They need at a minimum some decent pg play for Wemby this year.

[mo7888]

according to fanspo 2 months restriction

Cedi Osman cannot be traded to a team aggregated with other players from his team because 2 months have not passed since he was traded for. He can only be traded away to a team by himself and other non-player assets from his team (draft picks, cash considerations, etc). This restriction expires after Sep 04, 2023.

Reggie Bullock cannot be traded to a team aggregated with other players from his team because 2 months have not passed since he was traded for. He can only be traded away to a team by himself and other non-player assets from his team (draft picks, cash considerations, etc). This restriction expires after Sep 10, 2023.

No restrictions since they were acquired into cap space...

[exstatic]

Yes

That would actually be unSpursy, to close the door on options before they have to.

[mo7888]

That would actually be unSpursy, to close the door on options before they have to.

Yes, there's zero cost for them to wait on resigning Tre..

[ace3g]

Someone online mentioned we now have Champagnie and CamPayne, lol

[baseline bum]

Yes, there's zero cost for them to wait on resigning Tre..

Tre wouldn't actually get a paycheck until October anyways right? So no harm in waiting?

[exstatic]

Like, they’ll cut Stevens before his guarantee date on the 17th, but they’ve known they would cut him, and won’t until they have to. Multiply that by the number of acquisitions we have made over the 15 Man roster limit. I’m honestly not sure Cedi and Payne aren’t eventual cuts.

[cd98]

Good trade. Spurs needed an experienced point guard to help the offense hum. They’ll be able to get the starter down the road, but they needed a placeholder this season to help see what they have in the others. I think Jones starts, but Payne is a good get as an expiring.

[duncan2150]

[itzsoweezee]

somebody tell me what exactly we are getting out of this? We get a 2nd and trade a 2nd? Is Cam Payne our new starting PG?

A backup point guard on a team without a backup point guard

[Degoat]

A backup point guard on a team without a backup point guard

What about Devonte Graham? Not saying he’s the answer but think I prefer him over Payne

[manufan10]

[WaywardTexan]

This explains our plan for the new downtown stadium

[itzsoweezee]

What about Devonte Graham? Not saying he’s the answer but think I prefer him over Payne

Is Graham a point guard? I haven’t watched him much, but he seemed to be just a shooter to me. Payne seems more of a true point. Payne a good, low investment, support term option

[callo1]

Good grab.