Hmmm....Well, no player that admits he tanks games is ever going to be on my list of favorites...but if the guy is making more money than anyone on the team and I have the majority of my cap devoted to him...he better be the last mofo to quit.
Holy , I can't believe this debate has raged so long. TMac licks monkey balls plain and simple. When was the last time you ever saw him pass the ball? Or better yet, I'm willing to bet that Manu could do for a slug like Yao what Steve Nash did for Amare Stoudemire to some extent. Manu makes the people around him better. McGrady makes his teammates fall asleep.
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Neither were any better in their 8th year, they were more well know, they had better teams, that is all. TD today is not better than he was in 01 or 02 and he will not be any better than he is now....that is my point.
TP is as good as he is gong to get, in fact he will drop off a lot sooner than a lot of players because what sets him apart from the rest is his speed, and that is the first thing to go. He has a so so shooting stroke, he is HORRIBLE at the FT line, something that is soooo rare for a PG, because PGs are suposed to be decent FT shooters, and usually are. He is an average, at best PG in the NBA, one that is very fortunate to be playing with great teammates. Put him on a team like New Orleans and you will see a huge difference betw him and a healthy Baron Davis.
Put a Steve Nash on the Spurs and he would have 13 assists and shoot 56% a game.
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Christ, you tell your precious T-MAc to try and pull that 13 point miracle again, and I'll bet my ing life he won't be able to do it.
I think what you mean is that T-Mac is one of the most talented in the NBA, not one of the best players. IMO a GOOD player is a TEAM player, someone who helps the rest of the team improve and knows that sometimes money, or playing time are not the most important aspects of LEADERSHIP!
Tha Real Fact is Manu Scores more than 1,5 Points por Shot
Now Manu Shoots 10 each Game and Scores 15,9
If Manu Shoot 20 times he scores 25 Points a Game and if he continues with 1,5 PPS he Scores 30
No it does not work thay way. There is a certain skill curve that comes into play. Some players can handle the extra possesions and still maintain their efficiency, most cannot handle or maintain it with extra possesions.
Right, the point is, you don't know whether or not he could or would. I THINK he can, what do you THINK?
No player can play 40 mins if they played as hard and went at it as hard as Manu does when he is in the game. He expends more energy and sacrifices his body more than 99% of the players in the game.
I don't think that's fair. This is the first year that Manu has gotten a chance to play real minutes, and it comes right after having worked his ass off carrying his team to an Olympic gold. I would think he would be tired after having gone through something so strenous. Maybe if he actually took the summer off and rested we could verify if he just doesn't have the stamina to play 35 - 40 minute games throughout the 82 game season. Until then, I suggest we not criticise his stamina. I mean, even Tim hasn't been playing 40 minute games (due in large part to the fact Pop doesn't let him) but either way, that could also be the case with Manu.
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Yes, thatīs the reason that i Say 25 Points in 20 Shots and nor 30
I think Manu's assists would go up at a higher rate if he had to run an offense. I am not sure how much his scoring efficiency would tailor off, but it likely would be a reasonable amount.
But I think his best assets are his pure playmaking ability. He can make plays for himself and others as well as most 2 guards in the league. I do not think he has the mentality to take 20 shots + for an entire season. He is just too unselfish, and does not really have that scorers mentaility all the time. Some nights he can get it going, but others hes more content finding the open man.
But who knows? Maybe he is the type that can get a little better with more possesions, considering his playmaking ability? Or maybe the team will not even need to find this out, because they might be solid enough as it is.
I think the "Manu can't play heavy minutes" may be a little deceiving. I think that's more Pop's monitoring Manu's minutes than anything else.
Manu's minutes have creeped up from 28.8 to 29.7 to 32 from Nov to Dec to Jan. Unless the Spurs have lots of blowouts I expect Manu's minutes will continue upward and in the playoffs he'll be getting 36+ minutes if games are tight. When Manu gets 34 or more minutes (11 games, avg minutes 35.7, almost all 34-35 minutes and only the Suns OT over 40) Manu averages 21.36 points. Some of these have been in back to back nights. Most have been close games. His shooting avg in those games has been .578, in part probably reflecting playing time because he was hot, but certainly not a sign his shooting was showing effects of fatigue.
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Didn't Manu destroy Phoenix? There are more things that Manu does well than McGrady does well.
And winners win.
Manu is a winner. You can't say the same about TMac.
I'd prefer a team of winners over a team of talented me first players.
But I guess thats kinda in TMac's family. Him and Vince are both great at quitting.
Manu on the Magic, Manu on the Rockets = Lottery team.
Manu has the benefit of playing with Duncan. Can you imagine the Spurs with Duncan and McGrady? They might win 82 games and sweep through the playoffs.
Ok, now you're just playing stupid, come on!!
Well of course. I prefer the same thing. That is why over the offseason I would have rather kept Manu than having the Spurs even THINK about signing Kobe. Most fans on this board would take the superstar and the les without thinking twice. But that is not why I enjoy the Spurs particularly -- I would like to see them win les with the type of team they have now.I'd prefer a team of winners over a team of talented me first players.
It would just be too easy and unsatisfying if it were Duncan and Kobe -- the le would not mean as much as it did in 0203 or it may mean in the future should the Spurs win.
Spurs play like a solid TEAM, they are unselfish, and genuinely enjoy each others company on the floor. Not all teams can say they have that chemistry and appreciation for each other. That is what is special about the team, and that will be underscored even more should they win the le.
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And can you imagine Jason Kidd, Manu Ginobili, Kg and Shaq... They might win 82 games and sweep through the playoffs
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How much is a guarantee by wolvesie009 worth . . .?Ginobili won't be in the ASG. I guarantee it.
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Thanks for sharing your insights with us, asswipe.
And what about that Sam Cassell guy?Ginobili won't be in the ASG. I guarantee it.
How many votes does he have....2?
Twolves, don't take it out on the Spurs because your team is the filthiest piece of ing of out your mom's ass.
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