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Childress: Yea, what are you gonna do now Atlanta? es...
That's a lot of revenue lost.
Childress: Yea, what are you gonna do now Atlanta? es...
Expanding your local market from 300M of people to 600M of people is a lot of revenue increase.
stop dreaming. there is not gonna be any expansion at all. Euro teams will keep getting stronger and NBA teams weaker at this pace.
most likely what will happen is NBA will regularly lose good players to Europe.
Yeah, I agree. I hope the playoffs don't expand anymore. No one wants basketball to turn into hockey, where making the playoffs isn't even an honor. The early 60s Celtics only had to win two series to claim the championship. Now you have to play four series, a minimum of 16 games and more than likely around 25 to win it all. That's almost another 1/3 of a full season.
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The dollar will return with sound fiscal policies and the Fed taking their foot off the pedal. In the next couple years this should even out, although apparently the dollar is still overpriced. Scary.
That's a separate issue from what he was arguing. But even what you said doesn't go far enough. If your employer agrees to pay your taxes for you, that money is considered income for you as well.
If, for example, the tax rate was 50% and you need to net $7 Million per year, your employer could not pay the IRS $3.5 Million for you. That's because the $3.5 Million would also be considered income. In order to "gross up" your $7 Million salary, the employer would have to pay the IRS $7 Million in taxes. It would be just like you made $14 Million in income, and the employer sent 50% of it to the IRS for taxes.
The point is, these American players do not simply get to avoid paying U.S. taxes. And "grossing up" their salary is A LOT more expensive than many people think. If a player nets $7 Million, it would cost their Euro team almost $12 Million. Do you know any NBA teams that would pay $12 Million for Childress, even if there was no salary cap?
Like I have said, these Euro teams could easily rack up a team salary of $100-120 Million, if they to try and field a team that could compete in the NBA. Maybe more. Let them play, and pay the lux tax on that amount. The other teams in the league would be happy.
I hope so, but my biggest worry is that with the current state of the economy, what would happen if we faced another hurricane Katrina/9-11/war with Iran type of situation? Scary.
The NBA is going to have that problem (In Argentina we have this problem with Scola and Nocedal).
A Young Player from the High Schoool can´t sign a Contract with the NBA, because is younger than the age then you can have to enter the NBA Draft, because he must to play 1 year after the High School.
And now, Imagine a Player like Lebron James with 18 years old. No one team can draft him because is younger, and then Come a European Billonarie and offer this player, a 50 Millions and 3 years contract, or 100 millions and 6 years.
What do you thing that this player is going to do?
Waiting for the NBA and with the rookie scale he´s going to make 5 millions a year, or play in Europe, with 50 Millions in his pocket.
Now, the problem isn´t the Free Agents, the europeans can take away Young Players for a lot of money.
Then, the Rookie scale is going to die, the Minimum age too, the Restricted Free Agents and anybody know, what more
If i´m a european GM , i´m going to go to USA to found young players for the High School, for a Couple of Millions, and the NBA is going to say good bye to this players.
There will be more NBA good players who will leave NBA for overseas basketball. I see more and more each day NBA good prospects leave US to play international basketball. High School star and NBA prospect draft Brandon Jennings also leave to Italy before even go to Arizona. We experienced it ourselves by watching Splitter ditch our less lucrative offer (I doubt he ever opt out his contract before its due, if he did then he will resign for more money). I know NBA got rules for rookies salaries,but still we got opportunity to buy out his "huge" contract year before that. This year alone already 5 players leave NBA, including: Josh Childress and Carlos Delfino. Marbury also express great interest to play in Italy if the money is right,after hes done in NY. With no salary cap for European team, the limit is how bad European team want NBA stars. I dont think European team got cap restriction,I might be wrong...I just dont believe how rich overseas team really is. If you compare it with soccer its really crazy. I look at soccer and couldnt believe how much Real Madrid spend their payroll. I'm afraid if basketball in overseas reach the point where it as influence to the people as NBA, then we will see more and more and more NBA superstars going overseas since compe ion wil risen up there. Currently Euro > $US + superstar status + less game + more room to show off = not a bad idea.
This is probably true. It's on Stern. If he had acted sooner this wouldn't have happened. He would have the NBA over there already. This is what you get for not being forward thinking and moving faster. All he had to do was negotiate with the clubs and build some big stadiums over there. Share in the revenue and marketing.
I don't think you can put NBA teams in Europe. The time difference and jet lag would be a killer. Imagine the West Coast teams. What is that, a 10 hour difference from Central Europe?
It would have been NBA Europe. They would mainly have to play amongst themselves. Coming over sporadically and then playing in the tournament.
It's going to happen that way anyways just without David Stern.
I got better things to do than to argue on an internet forum. You win. You get the golden globe award.Good for you.
"Never argue with an idiot, they'll take you down to their level and then beat you with experience".
Marbury is an interesting case. New York could actually use the current situation to their advantage if they could encourage a Euro team to sign him, while getting him to agree to a small buyout. There's got to be some silver linings in this mess, right?
yeah, i think merging is just not feasible. they should definitely articulate transfer rules between fiba and NBA, and they should make a world club championship / ryder cup type compe ion between the continental champs. that will help a lot on both fronts, but it will be really hard to make those transfer rules with the CBA in place.
the greeks are smart, they realized that the hawks have his NBA rights for another 2 years, so they give him a 3 year contract- its extremely unlikely he will leave before the contract is up, and risk getting stuck in atlanta again, but they give him the illusion of freedom with the player options.
also, i cant help but find it funny, the people that are saying that culture shock is going to keep players from crossing the pond... you do realize all the internationals in the US go through the same thing? it will be pretty funny if someone like vince carter got a billion dollar deal in europe, only to shrivel and ride the bench. like all that that guys like macijuakas or rigodeau took (i'm pretty sure i've messed up both their names). anyways, i think all this stuff is still 5+ years away, with a lot riding on how jennings and childress fare.
the closest NBA will come to Euroleague is having 1 yearly "friendly" game between the 2 league champions in Asia. like FIFA does.
Person like Marcus Bryant should apologize for how he act to me when I try explain what contracts Greek and Russian teams is offering these players. Always he call me liar and say I make everything up.
i find this comical too. money overcomes any culture shock in my opinion. moreover, the transition to living a more relaxed european lifestyle ain't that hard and i speak from experience. i spent a year in Germany as an exchange student after graduating high school and before enrolling in college. and, hands down, it was the best experience of my life. i can only imagine what my experience would have been like with money and fame.
i have a friend that attended an inner city public high school, who played overseas for his entire career after dropping out of college and he thoroughly enjoyed every minute of his international career. he waxes nostalgic about the fame, the pretty women, etc. and he played in freaking Iceland and for a few teams in South America.
You have called people names here too...why is it ok for you and not Marcus Bryant?
Because like I says many times here and is be accuse be liar reports of salaries in US for Greek players is wrong. They is make much more than these stupid craps reports in US says.
Childress is get like $48 million from Olympiacos, some reports says high as $63 million. I think maybe problem is because US reporters is not able understand Greek.
So do you hate all Americans or just NBA players?
do you understand english
I think KBP should get a Samuel L. Jackson icon under his avatar.
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