Dirk > Manu
Dirk is a franchise player, he took a team with no all-star in the finals.
i love manu but i don't think he can do that.
Manu got an Argentina team to the gold with no allstar level players. And Dirk might've not had any true allstars on his team, but that team was very well balanced. Unlike last years Spurs, who were Tim+Manu+Tony+vets+ 2 of 3 youngest players mostly DNP(Matt and Ian), and Dirk had Josh and some others, I really can't remember that team.
And If you have TD on a team, you really can't be the franchise player. If Manu was THE MAN and took 23 shots per game because he completely ran the offense on some team like the Net or Knicks, he'd be crazy good too. A player can't shine as bright in a supporting role.
well that's your opinion.
i just think Manu has the talent to be a franchise player but he's too inconsistent.
and i would add that his endurance is not the same as a black player that is able to go for 35 min daily with no problems... he reaches the same athleticism peaks but not for long stretches...
On these 2 points, I agree 100% with Paul Pierce.
IMHO the only other players in the discussion as of today as the best are Timmay, Kobe, and CP3.
Last edited by jacobdrj; 07-26-2008 at 09:47 AM.
Seriously?
Neither have led/assisted their perspective national teams or organizations to championships.
I'm usually a big fan of your takes JS, but I completely disagree.
Manu is the only player who has shown a compe ive level of play which rivals Jordan's.
Overall I'd put Manu in my top 3 european players right now. Of course other may be more sound with fundaments but Manu has the complete package plus he's the most though mentally. Something, IMO Dirk and Nash hasn't. And Yao has a lot to prove as a leader.
Did you watch the 06 Finals? Let me ask you a question: What would have happened if the Mavs had played the same kind of physical defense against Wade that Haslem and Posey were allowed to play against Dirk? Wade probably would've shot 45 FTs per game.
Against Stephen Jackson in 07, he had bone spurs. When he was healthy last year, he had no problem torching the Warriors.
A team with Dirk as its best player has perenially won 55+ games and made a couple of deep playoff runs. A team with Manu as its best player would probably win 43-45 games and would always be first-round fodder.
Dirk is better than Manu. It doesn't get any more concise and accurate than that. Dirk is the best foreign-born player in NBA History.
FIBA. Who cares? We're talking about the NBA. Under FIBA rules, Tim Duncan ain't so hot.
"FIBA sucks."![]()
Yeah, I have a hard time accepting these "Manu won a gold medal" arguments when Duncan looks like a spare in these compe ions.
european??
Dirk is >>> Manu![]()
you can see the video with the interview on the right hand side of the screen on here:
http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/b...o/1150514.html
lmao! Yahoo just picked up these commetns by Pierce. They have it on their frontpage, and have linked to SR talking about Spurs fans reaction.
Pierce's better than kobe?? C'mon now, he ain't even the best player on his team!!!
So this fool wins one championship and all of a sudden he thinks he's the best in the game... PUUhhh-LEASE PP you need to do a little more than that before you can call yourself the best in the game...your team weren't going any where before KG and Allen arrived.![]()
He was better before Kobe won his first le.
He wasn't recognized as such, because instead of Snaq as his starting center, he had... ... Battie... and instead of having Kobe/Shaq as a 2nd star, he had... ... ... Antone Walker (who is fun to watch, but not what I would call a championship level #2). IMHO does a whole lot more with a lot less talent around him, scores in bunches, in many ways, and plays defense far more consistently, at the same time, not just for 30 second spurts.
WTF??? check the starting time of the thread i posted this even before the Argentine media...lame on yahoo linking to SR... they have been stealing my Manu blog translations too... and without asking my permission...
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