Robinson The Most Productive Center Since The '80's

[ambchang]

if ranked by skill set + physical tools only
1.Olajuwon
2.Duncan-if counted as center (greatest PF of all time though)
3.Ewing
4.Robinson
5.Shaq

Robinson and Shaq are so much better in terms of skill set and physical tools than Ewing it's not even funny.

[mavs>spurs2]

Everyone in the world likes to hate on Hakeem and underrate him..seriously he's number 2 all time in the modern era, no questions asked. No one was able to dominate both sides of the ball the way he did, not even Jordan. Next time youre at the park try locking down the best player on the opposing team AND being the main scorer on offense getting double teamed. Its hard. Like alot harder than you realize, fatigue really starts the play in and you're not at the top of your game on either end. The whole "Wilt played in a different era" argument is debatable so I'm only talking about modern era.

[Many PackYao]

Robinson and Shaq are so much better in terms of skill set and physical tools than Ewing it's not even funny.

yeah those last three can be interchanged. It's all a matter of opinion in this case.But even similar to what you said earlier, Robinson was not remembered for having an outstanding post game.Ewing had a post up game similar to Olajuwon. I always remember Robinson for shooting a straight-away jumpshot from the top of the key or at the corners of the ft line.

[ambchang]

yeah those last three can be interchanged. It's all a matter of opinion in this case.But even similar to what you said earlier, Robinson was not remembered for having an outstanding post game.Ewing had a post up game similar to Olajuwon. I always remember Robinson for shooting a straight-away jumpshot from the top of the key or at the corners of the ft line.

True, but Robinson was so much better at the drive than any other center who ever played the game. The reason he developed that outside shot is because teams would collapse on him.

Robinson was much more than an outside shooting center, he did lead the league in dunks a few seasons.

[sook]

Everyone in the world likes to hate on Hakeem and underrate him..seriously he's number 2 all time in the modern era, no questions asked. No one was able to dominate both sides of the ball the way he did, not even Jordan. Next time youre at the park try locking down the best player on the opposing team AND being the main scorer on offense getting double teamed. Its hard. Like alot harder than you realize, fatigue really starts the play in and you're not at the top of your game on either end. The whole "Wilt played in a different era" argument is debatable so I'm only talking about modern era.

i agree.

[DunkingDuncan]

That's incorrect sir -
Reg season stats head to head
R Robinson: 19.6 PPG, 11.2 RPG Olajuwon: 21.9 PPG, 11.3 RPG
Playoffs head to head
Robinson: 23.8 PPG, 11.3 RPG Olajuwon: 35.3 PPG, 12.5 RPG

Complete Hakeem vs. D-rob stats from reg season:

Hakeem: 21.9 ppg (44.1 FG%), 11.2 rpg, 2.8 apg, 3.4 bpg, 1.9 spg in 37.7 mpg

David: 19.6 ppg (48.8 FG%), 11.2 rpg, 2.9 apg, 3.3 bpg, 2.2 spg in 37.7 mpg

That's really close. One interesting thing to notice is that DRob held Hakeem to 44.1 FG% (compared to his career 51.2 FG%). Hakeem held Robinson to 48.8 (career 51.8).
However in PO Hakeem indeed dominated D-rob.

With that said, I have Hakeem as 5th best center all-time and David 7th.

[DROB4EVER]

Anyone who says Shaq was ever better than DRob knows . Shaq has not one skill. He was allowed to foul on every play, as well as camp in the lane all so David Stern could use him to attrack a gate!

Shaq also on every team had a much better supporting cast which help pad his stats. DRob is a rare bread, with the skill set of a SF and the size of a Center. He outran many pg in the NBA, you cant find a big man who can do that today.

All the hype Dwight Howard gets today, big Dave was bigger, more skilled and athletic, a great defender.....but his faith in God and humble at ube caused the media to turn from him. Stern should have promoted Robinson because he represented everything Stern says he wants the NBA to be, yet he promoted the hip hop pot smokers, and chest pounding morons like shaq who had to take the SATs 13 times to get the 700 needed to get into D-1. Yo Shaq you get 350 pts to put your name on the paper!!!

Robinson in his prime was feared on both ends of the court, the only other big that you could say that about was Keem, and Jabaar.

[DROB4EVER]

Robinson and Shaq are so much better in terms of skill set and physical tools than Ewing it's not even funny.

Ewing abouve DRob. What skill set is being a monkey? Ewing was a poor defender, and had only 1 post move. No one would take Ewing over Drob.

[mavs>spurs2]

Ewing abouve DRob. What skill set is being a monkey? Ewing was a poor defender, and had only 1 post move. No one would take Ewing over Drob.

Um..re-read his post. He said Robinson and Shaq are both better than Ewing

[wijayas]

For all of us (arm-chair analyst) laden with feelings that this player is better than the other, please [please again] re-read the original article.

If you disagree with the methodology, the statistical analysis and the conclusion presented by those folks from The Wages Of Wins Journal, please come up with your own scientific analysis. If you keep on ranting Hakeem this, Shaq that, you are just fooling yourselves. You can't talk Math/Statistics. So you can keep quiet.

If you let your brain do the counting and not your hearts, it is impossible to dispute the premises, analysis and the conclusions presented by those folks at Wages of Wins.

D Rob rules!!!

[Slippy]

Since we're going by if's........like I said, IF SAMPSON NEVER GOT HURT AND LUCAS AND OTHERS NEVER FELL INTO DRUGS......Hakeem never even questions a trade, because he's already winning rings...which pretty much null and voids your post.

Nothing to do with winning. Everything to do with money. There goes your fairytale.


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...83/ai_13607826


Houston Rockets' center Hakeem Olajuwon, who last season was accused of malingering by his team and is now a leading contender for this season's MVP award, has signed a contract extension that will reportedly pay him $34 million over the next six years.

Ironically, it was Olajuwon's request to have his contract renegotiated last season that prompted the acrimony between he and the Rockets management, prompting the Nigerian native to demand to be traded. Now Olajuwon's reported $5.67 million average annual salary is second only to San Antonio's David Robinson for pivotmen.

"I was surprised I was here at the beginning of the season," said Olajuwon, a nine-year veteran, all with Houston.


"Once I knew I was here, I just wanted to take care of business on the floor. You can tell by the way this season has been going everything has worked out for the best," he added.

[my2sons]

what attribute made david better: the ability to put family first, the ability to defer to a teamate by realizing that if he didn't score 25/game the team would be better. the ability to keep a franchise afloat, the ability to take less money when teams would be willing to pay more for this lesser player than shaq and dream. the ability to get it. He was team. we may not even be having this conversation if jordan didn't retire and allow dream to have his two. to you houston fans dream will always be the best and nothing anyone says will change your minds, nor do i care to. david will always be my favorite spur and i have no ill will towards dream other than he played for the rockets. he is one of my favorite people and no one belittles his talent, only in your myopic mind does that occur.

[Pero]

Well according to PER:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...er_career.html

Shaq is 2nd, Robinson 3rd, and Olajuwon....15th...

[Brutalis]

For all of us (arm-chair analyst) laden with feelings that this player is better than the other, please [please again] re-read the original article.

If you disagree with the methodology, the statistical analysis and the conclusion presented by those folks from The Wages Of Wins Journal, please come up with your own scientific analysis. If you keep on ranting Hakeem this, Shaq that, you are just fooling yourselves. You can't talk Math/Statistics. So you can keep quiet.

If you let your brain do the counting and not your hearts, it is impossible to dispute the premises, analysis and the conclusions presented by those folks at Wages of Wins.

D Rob rules!!!

David was a wiz at math. Also electronics. I have a book of him and his dad talks about how he would take apart the TV set and put it back together, along with mowers[mechanical] and radios.

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