Cowboys going after the good Roy Williams

[G-Nob]

Three draft picks!?! Too much for two little. This is a panic move by Jones.

Plain and simple.

[King]

It's not a bad trade. Assume that they were going for a WR in the first, anyway. Roy is better than any WR they would have gotten, and doesn't have the learning curve. So, essentially a 3rd and a 6th. And the chances of the 6th round pick making the team is pretty slim.

The Cowboys strike out on firsts more often than not, anyway. Ware was a hit. Felix was on his way. The jury is out on Jenkins. Spencer hasn't stayed healthy. Bobby's terrible. Spears was a reach of epic-proportions. Roy was great for a bit, but now everyone wants him gone. Newman has been solid, but not a Champ type impact.

, taken the guy proven in the NFL. Speculation hasn't been working for them.

[Chris]

It's not a bad trade. Assume that they were going for a WR in the first, anyway. Roy is better than any WR they would have gotten, and doesn't have the learning curve. So, essentially a 3rd and a 6th. And the chances of the 6th round pick making the team is pretty slim.

The Cowboys strike out on firsts more often than not, anyway. Ware was a hit. Felix was on his way. The jury is out on Jenkins. Spencer hasn't stayed healthy. Bobby's terrible. Spears was a reach of epic-proportions. Roy was great for a bit, but now everyone wants him gone. Newman has been solid, but not a Champ type impact.

, taken the guy proven in the NFL. Speculation hasn't been working for them.

Don't forget Julius. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust.

Three draft picks!?! Too much for two little. This is a panic move by Jones.

Plain and simple.

You underestimate Jerry's most valuabe asset. He's able to wheel and deal come draft day. Don't be surprised if we are right back in the mix next year with a solid 1st round pick.

[T Park]

Great trade by the Boys.

Proven Talent >>>> unknown "picks"

[G-Nob]

Williams isn't the gem everyone thinks he is. We're spoiled with T.O. and he's nowhere close. I like him on the team but we cannot criple ourselves like we did with the Galloway trade. Because men are going down, that's what help seal the deal. Lions knew this and pounced on it. Can't blame them, but Jones wasn't working with a clear head on this one.

[King]

Or, look at it from a Draft day perspective...

Say Dallas is sitting on the clock at 26 (for the sake of argument) in April.

Detroit calls and offers you Roy Williams to switch spots, if you also throw in a third - and move down from your 6th (a late rounder) to their 7th (right at the top).

Do you pull the trigger? I sure do.

[JustSpurs]

Or, look at it from a Draft day perspective...

Say Dallas is sitting on the clock at 26 (for the sake of argument) in April.

Detroit calls and offers you Roy Williams to switch spots, if you also throw in a third - and move down from your 6th (a late rounder) to their 7th (right at the top).

Do you pull the trigger? I sure do.

Oh ya...providing he stays healthy.

[G-Nob]

Or, look at it from a Draft day perspective...

Say Dallas is sitting on the clock at 26 (for the sake of argument) in April.

Detroit calls and offers you Roy Williams to switch spots, if you also throw in a third - and move down from your 6th (a late rounder) to their 7th (right at the top).

Do you pull the trigger? I sure do.

Thats assuming you're putting enough emphasis on a WR. I don't think WR has been the boys problem thus far. Its the special teams play and the secondary. I can live with a TO, Whitten and a Austin/Crayton/Hurd combo. Still early in the year to say WR is the cowboys #1 offseason priority. That's why I said this is a panic move. Based on your scenario, Detroit will more than likely get a top pick, so they won't move. Dallas could trade up but that wouldn't involve williams. Now you're trying to unload 2nd rounders and higher for Williams which Detroit won't do. Yes, of course we'd do it but they wouldn't.

[King]

It's not the players in the secondary that's the problem - it's the scheme, and you don't fix that in a draft. You make a coaching change to right that ship.

I think WR definitely needs to be a point of emphasis for Dallas. The WR opposite TO isn't drawing the defense. Ever since Washington, teams have been doubling TO, and there's nobody opposite to make them pay. Roy Williams can do just that. He can out jump DBs, out run DBs, and he's huge. It should open up the field in a way that Miles Austin and Patrick Crayton do not.

I think it'd be a huge target in the draft, just like it was rumored to be this past draft. And Crabtree isn't dropping to the mid-late 20s.

Not to mention that Roy is 27, just like Romo and Witten. TO is 35. Lock him up, and you have yourself a #1 for the rest of your QBs career.

[JamStone]

Or, look at it from a Draft day perspective...

Say Dallas is sitting on the clock at 26 (for the sake of argument) in April.

Detroit calls and offers you Roy Williams to switch spots, if you also throw in a third - and move down from your 6th (a late rounder) to their 7th (right at the top).

Do you pull the trigger? I sure do.

Counter...

On draft day, knowing they really can't afford to franchise Roy Williams amidst their complete overhaul of the team realizing it doesn't make sense financially and chemistry wise since Roy Williams didn't want to be there anyway, the Lions flat out waive any type of rights they have on Roy Williams, who is a free agent, don't franchise him, and Roy Williams, whose dream was always to be a Dallas Cowboy, gets signed by the Cowboys without them having to trade any picks to the Lions.

Do you like that scenario better? I would if I were a Cowboys fan.

[G-Nob]

Counter...

On draft day, knowing they really can't afford to franchise Roy Williams amidst their complete overhaul of the team realizing it doesn't make sense financially and chemistry wise since Roy Williams didn't want to be there anyway, the Lions flat out waive any type of rights they have on Roy Williams, who is a free agent, don't franchise him, and Roy Williams, whose dream was always to be a Dallas Cowboy, gets signed by the Cowboys without them having to trade any picks to the Lions.

Do you like that scenario better? I would if I were a Cowboys fan.

That's my point exactly. Williams wanted out. The Lions were soon going to have their hands forced. Jones, just losing two keys guys on offense, was too clouded to see that and panicked. The same thing happened with Joey Galloway and it screwed them for the next three years after that. Wh=e could've gotten him for a steal and kept our picks!

[King]

Counter...

On draft day, knowing they really can't afford to franchise Roy Williams amidst their complete overhaul of the team realizing it doesn't make sense financially and chemistry wise since Roy Williams didn't want to be there anyway, the Lions flat out waive any type of rights they have on Roy Williams, who is a free agent, don't franchise him, and Roy Williams, whose dream was always to be a Dallas Cowboy, gets signed by the Cowboys without them having to trade any picks to the Lions.

Do you like that scenario better? I would if I were a Cowboys fan.

I would've liked that scenario better, but I wouldn't have any faith in the Lions to not franchise him - regardless of what sense it does or doesn't make. And the trade keeps him out of Philly, who was rumored to be another team in the mix.

I'd rather lesser compensation, but I don't think the compensation was altogether bad.

[JamStone]

My point is that the Lions weren't going to keep him. They weren't going to franchise him. Yes, they would have tried to move him before being forced to franchise him. I'm just saying Dallas didn't just overpay for him, they got bamboozled... by the Detroit Lions. Forget the 6th for the 7th. A first round and third round pick for a really good receiver? Oakland got only a third round pick for Randy Moss. When the asking price is that much, you roll the dice because even if the Lions traded Roy Williams to another team, the Cowboys could have still had a chance at him in the off season because he was a free agent.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Philly can still land Boldin in the offseason, who is a much better WR.

[jcrod]

He made the right deal. Lions were not going to just let him walk. Its a gamble drafting WR's, giving a 1st is small price to get a a proven 1 WR.

We have the talent on defense, its the coaches who are screwing it up.

[dallaskd]

Great Deal. well..depends on what all we lose. He's definitely worth a 1st rounder, because there's not much we could have drafter better if were in the top 20's.

[JamStone]

He made the right deal. Lions were not going to just let him walk. Its a gamble drafting WR's, giving a 1st is small price to get a a proven 1 WR.

We have the talent on defense, its the coaches who are screwing it up.

To be completely honest, with what the Lions have to do with completely over-hauling the team and personnel, letting Roy Williams walk for nothing was actually a complete possibility.

[Horry For 3!]

Cowboys gave up 1st, 3rd and 6th round picks for Roy Williams. Pretty good amount.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

To be completely honest, with what the Lions have to do with completely over-hauling the team and personnel, letting Roy Williams walk for nothing was actually a complete possibility.

They wouldn't have franchised him and they wouldn't have let him walk. They would have traded him for a mid round draft pick before March 1st.

[Obstructed_View]

My point is that the Lions weren't going to keep him. They weren't going to franchise him. Yes, they would have tried to move him before being forced to franchise him. I'm just saying Dallas didn't just overpay for him, they got bamboozled... by the Detroit Lions. Forget the 6th for the 7th. A first round and third round pick for a really good receiver? Oakland got only a third round pick for Randy Moss. When the asking price is that much, you roll the dice because even if the Lions traded Roy Williams to another team, the Cowboys could have still had a chance at him in the off season because he was a free agent.

As I mentioned in another thread, Jerry was willing to overpay because he needs a "win" story in the news to keep the Dallas fans from burning his house to the ground.

[JamStone]

They wouldn't have franchised him and they wouldn't have let him walk. They would have traded him for a mid round draft pick before March 1st.

Perhaps not walk, but they would have traded him for basically nothing if teams weren't willing to really give up much. By next February/March, they would have been at a point where they knew they had to deal him and probably would have settled for a fifth round pick. If they couldn't get anything, they weren't going to franchise him.

[BUMP]

im extremely excited about the deal but i still dont know what to expect. im gonna keep my mouth shut, since i am on record of guaranteeing a super bowl victory in the 2006 season after we acquired Tony Parrish

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...t=tony+parrish

its my troll name but its still me.^^^

im a little proud to have something so dumb

[JamStone]

As I mentioned in another thread, Jerry was willing to overpay because he needs a "win" story in the news to keep the Dallas fans from burning his house to the ground.

Possibly. Cowboys have been hit pretty hard with injuries and the Pacman . The saving grace with giving up all those picks is they don't have to pay a first rounder and they still have a lot of young talent for the next few years. Bill Parcells really built the team solid all the way around. So, if there was a team that could afford to give up all those picks, the Cowboys are probably it.

Still a of a lot to give up for Roy Williams.

[Chad Johnson]

ok Jerry trade the rest of your picks to get me.

ill get you a nice little ring, our games would have to be watched in Imax if you could get all three of us on the team

[Evan]

ok Jerry trade the rest of your picks to get me.

ill get you a nice little ring, our games would have to be watched in Imax if you could get all three of us on the team

Trade deadline is over dumb ass, doesn't your agent tell you anything?