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The problem wasn't that the ref's sucked, it was the sheer inequality of their suckage. And the anomalous way it benefitted the road team...
I'm not complaining that the Spurs lost because of the refs. I'm simply pointing out some horrible calls. Orlando shot much better from downtown and some turnovers killed us towards the end. Orlando was more prepared than the Spurs were.
The problem wasn't that the ref's sucked, it was the sheer inequality of their suckage. And the anomalous way it benefitted the road team...
Refs didn't call both sides the same. Granted, the Spurs still had a shot and should have won it.
Well, look at the bright side... this helps the Spurs stay under the radar.
i was there, and it was pretty bad. almost as bad as TP's d on nelson.
These pathetic mofos making excuses?
What's new??
Just die already!
I think that's the problem that I have.
The officials didn't make the Magic shoot incredibly from the arc and it's actually a positive to me that the Spurs were able to keep the game close even with Orlando's three-point barrage last night.
But I'd agree that the officiating was, at best, inconsistent. And I think it's illustrated by two occurrences. In the early 3rd, during a timeout, Pop had a conversation with Scott Wall that seemed to involve whether a defender with a straight arm position against a dribbler should be called for a foul. I don't know, obviously, what Wall said to Pop -- whatever it was, Pop was so bowled over by what he heard that he put his hands on his knees and bent over for a few seconds. Given Pop's reaction -- and given what happened later -- I don't think Wall's answer was "I didn't see a straight arm there, Pop."
In fact, when Callahan made the call against Bowen at the end of the third, and after Pop confirmed with Callahan that the call had been for a straight arm, Pop immediately pointed to Wall, who was standing on the baseline near the Spurs' bench, and seemed to be discussing the inconsistency between what Callahan had just called and what Wall told Pop earlier. I feel pretty confident about that, because Pop gesticulated pretty wildly towards both Wall and Callahan while demonstrating a straight arm, as if to say "Hey Scott, I thought a straight arm to a dribbler's back isn't a foul."
There are obviously differences in the way that players are permitted to defend the ball in the post and on the perimeter, but the straight arm that Wall didn't call had a lot more to do with the offensive player's ability to get a shot than Bowen's did. Pop's animation in going directly to Wall was very interesting to me.
The only thing worse than the officiating last night was the Spurs 3-point shooting. 3-13 shooting will lose you a lot of games.
Control what you can control, and quit ing about what you can't control. Spurs should win games at home...they should defend well at home...they should shoot well at home. Those are the things they CAN do...cry about officiating all you want, but if you miss shots you only have yourself to blame.
Are you kidding. For one Phil Jackson would be whining like a stuck pig.
agreed, but if they made that call everytime it happened in a game the game would be 4hrs long and there would be more people sitting on the bench than playing on the court.
Troll adds to the problem whilst thinking he is helping it. What's new.
Wether the magic did bomb 3 pointers spurs still had a great chance of winning . Refs calls were bull .
whiners
Spurs fans don't blame the refs...
All the Magic defenders need to explain how you can allow moving screens from Dwight Howard on the PnR leading to 3-4 of those open looks, but the Spurs were called for multiple OFF THE BALL illegal screens. That was the difference in the game.
Taruky sighting!
Referees sucked but it was not the reason we lost.
Crying about the refs is lame . . .
conspiracy theory alert:
either these refs were in on something with betting, or the league hates the spurs and loves their soft little center dwight howard, who, in case anybody else didnt notice, dissapeared completely in the fourth quarter. instead of relying on vets and lutch players like the spurs, they relied on awful calls and cheating. ing david stern will burn in .
go spurs.
After last night's game, the Lakers is a must win now.
i saw the game in the second half and there was some horrible calls
ginobili was camping out in the paint for about 3 seconds and howard just runs over him and theres no call
the spurs miss the shot and duncan dosent even push howard and duncan gets the offense rebound and the dunan gets called for pushing off
i didnt see matt bonners foot but if he did step out of bounds on that pick then reff must have some good eyes
when rashard lewis shot that 3 matt bonner didnt even touch him and bonner is called for the foul
i thought joey crawford was bad these guys last nite sucked
Last edited by Ditty; 01-12-2009 at 03:35 PM.
You guys whining about fans whiningI reserve the right to whine all I want.
The refs were pathetic regardless of the outcome of this game. If the Spurs had won, I would still have been pissed at the refs.
Spurs aren't the only team that the refs seem to have been influencing the outcome in various degrees. And it's been to teams of whom I am not a fan. Yeah, sometimes a team can win regardless of the refs and there's less complaining as a result. It's rampant.
I'm beginning wonder if it's just specific refs that are incompetent, or if the NBA front office is behind this to enhance the "entertainment" value. Could it be that the NBA is no longer as supportive to the sport of basketball as they are to the $$$$$? I'm sure Stern being a lawyer thinks nothing of manipulating whatever he can (such as schedules, refs being encouraged to cater to select teams/players. etc. (as long as it not outright illegal) in order to assure the most profit. It is the bottom line, isn't it. I'm totally disgusted with the NBA right now.
You guys whining about fans whining
The refs were pathetic regardless of the outcome of this game. If the Spurs had won, I would still have been pissed at the refs.
Spurs aren't the only team that the refs seem to have been influencing the outcome in various degrees. And it's been to teams of whom I am not a fan. Yeah, sometimes a team can win regardless of the refs and there's less complaining as a result. It's rampant.
I'm beginning wonder if it's just specific refs that are incompetent, or if the NBA front office is behind this to enhance the "entertainment" value. Could it be that the NBA is no longer as supportive to the sport of basketball as they are to the $$$$$? I'm sure Stern being a lawyer thinks nothing of manipulating whatever he can (such as schedules, refs being encouraged to cater to select teams/players. etc. (as long as it not outright illegal) in order to assure the most profit. It is the bottom line, isn't it. I'm totally disgusted with the NBA right now.
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I'm pretty sure the people that aren't criticizing the refs are fake Spurs fans, or didn't see the game..there seems to be A LOT of fake Spurs fans on this forum..
you don't have to say we lost the game because of them, but at least acknowledge the fact that they were horrible last night..if you don't, then explain to me the Howard rebound call, the Howard no-charge call, the Bonner 3-point foul call, and the Bowen call on Choke-alu..
+1
-Mars
at Boston fan, the beloved team
-Mars
You were playing AT home.
That should be a big enough advantage already. You should be able to win in spite of ty refs, which happen to every team.
The refs didn't make all of ORL's 3's go down. They didn't leave ORL's shooters wide open either.
As several have stated the officiating was inconsistent and that is a problem with me. I understand that bad calls are going to be made but as long as the calls are consistent I really don't have a gripe. It's when the players don't really have a feel for what is going to be called vs. what isn't. FWD illustration of the straight arm is one point and TD's hip check another. Call it the same way on both ends and the players will understand and play accordingly.
Anyway we lost due to our perimeter D - 14 of 22 for the Magic in 3pt shooting with most of them uncontested. Unacceptable perimeter D.
Question: since we are complaining about the refs I would like to know how you all feel about this. Would it be better to go back to 2 refs instead of 3?
Some in the business think that the 2 ref situation leads to better officiating while 3 refs cause more problems. In the 2 ref situation each ref has half the court to view. They don't concern themselves with what is happening on the other half and concentrate only on their half. But in the 3 ref situation there are overlapping "zones" which leads some to not call fouls in these zones since they thought the other ref would do so. In other words they have a tendency to hesistate in blowing the whistle in fear of conflicting with one of their crew.
Does anyone know if there is quantifiable information to justify 3 refs vs. 2? Or anything to that effect?
Just my opiinion - food for thought.
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