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So how does that mean he will be better than TP at age 32? Especially with Tony progressing, improving his shot and being in his prime.
You don't know that. Parker has been in the NBA since he was 19. Age isn't the # to go with here, it's mileage. McGrady isn't in his prime, which is commonly thought of as between 28-31. He's got a lot of mileage on his tires. If Tony Parker is a better player in 2010, it will be because Dirk also has been in the league since he was 19 years old and has a lot of wear and tear, not because Tony Parker is in "his prime" and Dirk is past his. I don't see Parker really getting any better, and without Tim around in his current incarnation, Parker's effectiveness may be muted somewhat if defenses can key on him.
So how does that mean he will be better than TP at age 32? Especially with Tony progressing, improving his shot and being in his prime.
What does that matter. If he is better, than he is better. Do not get caught up in the age, it is just a reference point.
I wasn't talking about Dirk vs. Tony in 2010, I was talking about Dirk in his mid to late thirties, when most guys are washed up.
Exactly...which is why I'm saying that some of these guys who entered the league in their teens may not have the career arc that we expect, when you typically expect a dude to have his prime between 28-31. Look at McGrady, his body is breaking down when he should be at his peak. My point is that I would not at all be surprised if Tony Parker has reached his apex.
Who said Dirk would be washed up. He will still be a baller, but probably not as dominate as he is today. TP has no where to go but up still and he has improved in every aspect of his game. I do not see why this seems so outlandish?
http://www.82games.com/0809/08SAS1.HTM
45.9% on jumpers. Not bad if you ask me.
Parker is not better than Dirk. It's a bit of an insult to compare a 2nd option player like Parker to a perennial all star.
Well there is where we disagree then. I have seen Tony still progress and add onto his game. He is not losing quickness and has vastly improved his shooting as evidenced by the shot chart I linked for you.
Talk to me in 2 years. TP is only a "second option" player on the Spurs, even though he is the leading scorer.
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Dirk appears to have peaked in 05-07, when he was 27-29 years old. If you look at his stats for the past two seasons, there's a small but perceptible decline in his shooting %s. I think a lot of the straight to the pros guys will have similar career arcs. Dirk has been in the league 11 years, and he's played starters minutes for 10 of them.
Tony's shooting percentage are rising still.
Steve Nash, by contrast, played 4 years of college ball, spent his first 2 years in Arizona, the first buried deep on the bench and the second on the fringes of the Suns' rotation. Then he was hurt a lot his first two years in Dallas. He didn't play a full 70+ games of starter minutes until he was 27 years old. People are surprised that he had his best years between the ages of 31-34 in Phoenix, and some of that is D'Antoni's system inflating his #'s, but it's also an effect of him not ac ulating much wear and tear his first four years in the league.
I'm not comparing Dirk to Tony, since that's an insult to Dirk. I'm talking about guys who went straight to the pros and my belief that they tend to peak out at the ages of 26-29 instead of 28-31.
It is not an insult to say that in 2 years, TP will surpass Dirk, come off it.
But you will compare Nash to Dirk and that is not an insult. Tony is every bit as good as Nash as an all around player.
Yes, he is more like Dirt these days.
Huh? Parker's drive to the basket game is predicated on the bigs having to stay with Duncan. I remember a stretch of games, last year, where he shot poorly while Duncan was out with an injury. He's a good player but not a franchise calibre player
We're talking past each other. I'm not comparing Dirk's game to Nash. I was making an observation that a player's age is somewhat important, because you lose quickness and agility and become more susceptible to injuries the further you get into your thirties. What is equally important is minutes played and when a guy came into the league. Dirk and Parker were both 19 year old rookies and have been playing starters minutes since they joined the league. It's premature to expect them to have the typical "prime" between 28-31. Dirk's showing a small decline in his numbers from his peak of 05-07. Tony Parker will probably also peak out between 26-28 instead of 28-31. Nash, on the other hand, was a 23-yr-old rookie and didn't play much until he was 27. People seem surprised that he had his prime between 31-34 and I think the lack of wear and tear is the reason.
They're different players. Dirk is incredibly talented shooting-wise, while Tony lives off the explosion of his first step and penetration. Tony has improved both in his basketball IQ and his jumper over the years, while Dirk has pretty much stayed the same (we're still waiting for a post move that doesn't involve a fadeaway jumper).
At any rate, neither makes their teammates better, IMO. And I think that's a crucial quality reserved to true superstars in this league.
Dirk has more of an impact on a game than Parker does, therefore he's the better player. We'll see if that is still true in 2010.
I agree with your logic and that is my point. In 2010, TP will be peeking and Dirk has already started to decline (even though he is still elite). So, if Dirk is already declining, TP is rising, then in 2 years I say TP is the better player.
So? Nash isn't really a franchise player anyway(he didn't deserve either of his MVPs) The current Suns team has never made the Finals because they've never had a legit first option to build around. Shaq's the closest they've come but he's too old to shoulder the load like he used to in his prime.
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We'll see. Dirk is arguably a franchise player, while Parker seems like a classic second option. Whether Parker can close that gap in two years, we shall see.
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