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No its not a bull message. It's a message to those hardliner minorities that think that they cant achieve great things because the white man is holding them down is now bull .
Of course you don't. You think the most pressing issue in this country is reporters sticking microphones in Palin's face and letting her on herself over and over again.
No its not a bull message. It's a message to those hardliner minorities that think that they cant achieve great things because the white man is holding them down is now bull .
Tell it to the one in nine African American men between 20 and 34 years of age who are in prison. That rate is five to six times the rate for white men.
Yeah well...governments don't take care of people, no matter who is President...the ones that tell you that they can and will...are the biggest liars of them all. And this one is not suddenly going to make poor black people and other minorities wealthy...
I watched part of the pre inaugural festivities today...I forget what channel, but I got physically ill when Justin(millionaire singer)Timberlake came on and told me we're going to have to roll up our sleeves and put our noses to the grindstone...
You think the white man is framing the black folks? Sprinkling the magic dust? There may be cases of innocent black folks in prision but most of them probably did the actual crime.
I dont know what you talking about. History shows the government helping the people out pleeeeenty of times.
How magnanimous of you. The prison-industrial complex thanks you for your support, Creepn.
About half the prison population is drug users. You can't seriously be suggesting black folks use drugs at five to six times the rate of white folks?
There's no magic dust or actual framing necessary. Racism means it's easier to apprehend, prosecute and convict black folks in the absence of evidence or prosecutorial misconduct. There's little faith in the fairness of the system, so most people plead out rather than risk longer jail time by contesting charges in court.
So you're from the religion of the free market taking care of our people? The same free market that has run to China and replaced good-paying manufacturing jobs with health care for ty service jobs at Wal-Mart and Target with absolutely no benefits? The past 20 years our hands-off government has helped the free market's invisible hand to get and tighten its grip around the throats of Americans, whether it's the job loss to China and Mexico, letting Enron rape the state of California with inflated energy costs and rolling blackouts, the oil bubble last year, or the housing/credit bubble made 1000x worse by unregulated speculation.
All you gotta do in court is paint a black defendant as a gang member, the politically correct modern form of street ######, and you've instantly scared the jury less. As if it's only black criminals who hang out in tightly-knit syndicates of other criminals.
That would make me sick too.
But, strangely enough, I have a couple of questions for you in that regard.
A) You actually pay attention to more than two words emitted from Justin Timberlake's mouth?
And 3.5623) You're actually, seriously analyzing rhetoric that's spewed forth from the man who's "bringing sexy back"?
Yikes.
I think the hoopla over his inauguration is warranted, personally.
He is the first minority President. However you choose to downplay that is on you, not the media or Obama or black people. Its your bias, its your problem, you deal with it.
It is momentous. But it is only momentous, IMO, for today and probably tomorrow only.
After that, he just another President in a very short line of them. Lets see his agenda from his mind to his policy. Stomping the election trail and saying things one needs to say to get elected is one thing, actualy crafting policy and implementing is entirely another (as I am quite sure Mr Obama is well aware).
As for those who cry "Socialism", youre either hypocrites or ignorant. Bailing out the financial industry is socialism. Unfreezing credit for the auto industry is semi-socialism. Medicare is socialism. Social Security is not (you paid those taxes throuhout your working life, didnt you?).
There are aspects of our local, state and federal government that have been socialist long before you or I were even born. The free market is not a magic bullet, its a predatory society where the wheels of government are slowly eroded into what we find ourselves in today. A bought and paid for electorate whose sole objective is the protection of their investors.
Personally, this country is so far gone as it is, a collapse wouldnt appall me at all. I said it before, the Presidency after Bush should have been treated like a hot-potato. I wouldnt want this job. The country is fighting a two front war, the economy is in the tank with no end in sight (besides from opotomists) and the middle class is being removed from its seat of power.
The scales are tipping, and since I have no experience in what a revolutionary society looks like, I highly doubt social unrest was sparked and fought by McDonald's eating, mouth-breathing, television addicted, under-educated fatasses.
Obama is historic...today. He will also be forever remembered because his Presidency will either be wildly successful (in the face of the many adversaties) or an abject failure of epic proportion (in the face of the many adversaties).
I am hoping for success, but like I said, the next President was setup for failure after Bush.
Let me ask you, do you want to be Admiral Fallon, formerly in charge of US Central Command pre-surge and pre-buying off enemies?
Or General Petraeus, post-surge and post-buying off our enemies?
I have a sinking feeling Obama is going to fall on the sword and the next President will be heralded as the Righter-of-Wrongs. But its immaterial, this is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world. If Obama is remembered as a failure, it will be on Obama.
That sort of intrinsic dichotomy comes with the biggest chair. There are no shades of gray in history's eyes. We shall see.
It is a bit over the top.
But
When was the last time that either party produced a candidate that people really liked?
The GOP got Reagan, and a lot of conservative Dems, and since then the Dems have been scrambling to find the right note.
Bush and the GOP handed this one to Mr. O on a silver platter.
Can you really blame the half+ of this country who have chafed under Bush for years, AND were presented with not only a candidate who was NotBush, but that they could actually be a little excited about for having a *small* celebration?
If any conservative is really aghast or even surprised about this, then you have not been paying attention to how much Bush was disliked and how much what a lot of Obama said really resonated with a lot of people.
I'd argue the Dems have been searching for the right tone since Bobby Kennedy.
Obama has obvious charisma, and he energized a Democratic base that has been moribund for 40 years.
Face it, conservatives: there's good cause to party. For the other side of the aisle, it's morning in America. I don't share their sense of inspiration, but I can feel the excitement.
It's contagious, and it pleases me to see so many of my hitherto jaded or apolitical friends jazzed about their President and the pomp of state.
Enough with the sour grapes. Let's celebrate another orderly, peaceful transfer of power. We can get back to the smackdown tomorrow.
is there anything in this forum more entertaining than whottts' misery?
he started out in this thread begging the " sucker" for money.
I think the complaints about Obama's status as an African-American or not is a bit twisted. There's no doubt that had this man lived in the United States of America in the 1850's, he would have been cons utionally prohibited from voting, whether he was a slave or not; whether he was selling slaves or not. There's no doubt that had this man lived in the American South from 1865 through the mid-20th century, he would have been practically prohibited from voting in most precincts solely based upon his ethnicity.
Call him what you will, but none of those things can be said of any man previously elected to this office.
It's a monumental occasion.
He'll have to govern on his merits and he'll be judged on the merits for how he governs. But this particular moment in time -- occurring as I write this -- is undoubtedly historic and unprecedented.
"As for those who cry "Socialism", youre either hypocrites or ignorant. Bailing out the financial industry is socialism. Unfreezing credit for the auto industry is semi-socialism. Medicare is socialism. Social Security is not (you paid those taxes throuhout your working life, didnt you?)."
Medicare is not socialism. You have to pay monthly for it!
Ummm, yeah...I am paying for it, but do not (and might not ever) benefit from it.
Therefore, it is a redistibution of wealth. Me being under 65 (or whatever the age is anymore) have to pay Medicare taxes and only those over 65 benefit from that tax.
Thats wealth redistribution. Thats socialism.
Seeing as my taxes are not being apportioned to the whole of society (like roads, schools, etc), it is in fact, socialism.Tax is "apportioned" when the amount to be paid by the individual is determined by the apportionment among the whole body of taxpayers of a precalculated aggregate or yield.
It's a socialized policy, not socialism. And your economic assessment relating to indentured servitude aside, to a degree we're still a capitalist nation. At least in theory. In any event, it doesn't really work to make blanket statements about what one type of a system we're living under. In fact, given how ed up things are right now, I doubt anybody could even say yet, with any real certainty, what the American economic system has become.
I'll give it a stab: it's mixed, Chinese style capitalism.
Yeah. Probably. For now. We'll have to see how much a precedent these bailouts have really set for the future.
I thought this was a country where we didn't create icons out of people until after they had done something, and usually after they were long gone.
This is a joke. A few million people voted for a guy because it was trendy and now we have a president who's about to find out that governing (something he's never done) is a lot tougher than campaigning on "Hope".
Yeah, I can live with that. Socialized Policy is far more accurate.
While I appreciate your assessment, I never said we live under Socialism (in the Marxist sense). I was trying to say that there are socialist aspects to this country that pre-date our arrival in life and that ing about what may or may not be socialism for the resident neo-cons is a practice in futility because they suffer from confirmation bias.And your economic assessment relating to indentured servitude aside, to a degree we're still a capitalist nation. At least in theory. In any event, it doesn't really work to make blanket statements about what one type of a system we're living under. In fact, given how ed up things are right now, I doubt anybody could even say yet, with any real certainty, what the American economic system has become.
If you think it's so unbearably bad or just a trend that somehow going to ruin your life, how about you do us all a favor and end your own life already? Seriously. I'm sick of you just crying & bellyaching like a spoiled 2 year old girl. Get the over and act like a man. ing pussy.
Unity ? you are mistaken and decieved if you think unity is the goal or even achievable.
From the statistics I seen, the rate of drug use among African Americans is quite even keel among the whites so that's not what I'm saying.
Blacks knows how prejudice the courts can be so what should they do? Dont put themselves in that type of position. Stay away from the drugs.
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