Salmons is only looking good like TIMVP said, because hes getting big minutes.
Brad Miller is a better rebounder than Bonner, not as good a shooter, but brings more to the table and more what the Spurs need, than Bonner or Kurt.
Miller would be in the Thomas mold, but a bigger body and a bit better shooter.
I don't see the Spurs trading for Miller he's too expensive for us. But I have a question:
Is it possible that a team (let's say Larry Brown's Bobcats) trade for Salmons and Miller just to get the former and let the last one go so that the Spurs can sign him for the vet. min. or something a little bit less expensive than his current contract?
It is possible, but doubtfull.
Horry, Udoka & Bonner for Camby - let's do it.
i still think trading for salmons will be good for the spurs as long as the kings don't want a young talent (george hill) or a first rounder. giving them rights to one of the spurs' draft stashes will be acceptable. expiring contracts of horry + udoka + rights to a spurs player and/or a 2nd rounder would be great.
spurs will have another body to throw on bryant who can also make bryant work on defense. bryant won't have to work defensively against the spurs if they constantly play bowen and finley. putting salmons in the starting lineup would also allow oberto or thomas to start because the spurs won't be needing bonner's offense so badly. this would shore up interior defense without compromising offense as the spurs did last year.
Really We don't need Salmons.If we need to add another player then we need to add a center.We are not going to improve a lot with Salmons.No minutes for everybody.
Parker/Hill
Mason/Manu/Finley
I'm sure we have the best backcourt of the league.The big problem of the roster is the frontcourt.
Salmons could be right now better than Finley but I'm not sure if he could be more important to our team than Finley.If we need a big shot in the playoffs I would like to have Finley instead Salmons.
Finley is older but he could score 10-15ppg if he plays in Sacramento.He was averaging 10ppg in the Spurs with very good FG% in the beggining of the season without Tony and Manu.there aren't shots for everybody.We don't need another scorer from the outside.
Salmons is listed at Forward but he's smaller than Finley and he's not a better defensive player than Bowen.He can't help with rebounds a lot either.He's 29 so he's not very young either.
Of course I think he's a very good player.
If we can get Salmons for Horry it would be pretty good but if we have to send Finleys,Obertos...etc then I don't like it so much.
Bonner isn't going anywhere, so forget about it.
The Spurs like having a bigman that can spread the floor.
IMO, any trade that doesn't involve our big 3 and brings a high-quality / 7-foot center is welcome (eg Camby, Kaman). So yes, Bonner, Mason & Hill are tradeables. (but I don't consider Miller high quality).
Hill and Mason aren't going anywhere, and I wouldn't trade them for Marcus Camby or Chris Kaman.
This is just some guy playing with names.
1. Miller would not help us. We need an athletic big who can protect the rim and rebound - Miller is a poor defender at best, the opposite of athletic, and overpaid. Not happening.
2. I really like Salmons, but he complains if he doesn't get pt and shots and you think that would sit well here? No sirree. He'd definitely be an upgrade over Finley, but he doesn't know the system and his contract goes past 2010. Once again, unlikely.
Hes not out there.
Therefore you go to the next best available option, wich is Brad Miller.
his past at ude issues are the biggest concern with salmons. but i doubt he would be on the books comes 2010. he has an ETO on his last year, and you would have to figure if hes playing at a decent level, hes going to use it.
Maybe, and if he does, more than likely he wouldn't be worth what he would want in return.
hmmmm.. i dunno brad could help... he does spread the floor albeit not to 3 point range. hes a great passer. his D is questionable but hes an upgrade over any one not named duncan without being a liability.
well, that final year is only for about 5.8 mil. so even if all he could get was a multi-year MLE deal, he would still opt out.
Yeah. He would want a raise and I don't think he's worth more than 6 million a year.
Rebounding and defense next to Duncan, your sure as bet he's the best they would have outside Kurt Thomas.
there would be no reason to get Salmons when we have Finley, especially with Popovich's concerns about needing another bigman and his man crush on Finley its safe to say that with this rumor the spurs are trying for Miller not for Salmons.
Your a fool if you think Salmons would be a better fit. Salmons is an overrated player, he is going to look for a pay day down the road. And we are not going to give it to him. It just does not make sense. The market is better down the road anyways.
Miller on the other hand is almost done is most likely out of SA once his contract ends. Which I think is around 2010????? But he is a very smart player and is a great passer. Can shoot and help on the boards.
His defense is def not his forte but I would take my chances him guarding KG than Bonner or etc. He would add alot of depth and our bigs will be looking quite nice for the short term.
Not even for Rasheed Wallace? Bonner, Oberto, maybe a 2nd rounder along with Horry (Detroit sees him walk for nothing at the end of the year, so we might be able to get him relatively cheaply).
I'm curious, would the Spurs be better with Bonner, who is fairly well acclimated to the system, or with Rasheed who'd have to learn it in a couple months?
I'm sure Detroit would welcome Horry with open arms.
Of course it would be even better for only Oberto, Horry and filler, but I don't know if the Spurs could afford that (or if Detroit would even consider it).
Not even for Rasheed Wallace? Bonner, Oberto, maybe a 2nd rounder along with Horry (Detroit sees him walk for nothing at the end of the year, so we might be able to get him relatively cheaply).
I'm curious, would the Spurs be better with Bonner, who is fairly well acclimated to the system, or with Rasheed who'd have to learn it in a couple months?
I'm sure Detroit would welcome Horry with open arms.
Of course it would be even better for only Oberto, Horry and filler, but I don't know if the Spurs could afford that (or if Detroit would even consider it).
Bonner for Wallace? Yes
Bonner for anyone else? Doubtfull.
They might, and then go out and sign Anthony Tolliver back.
im not a brad miller fan. but i agree with what most people are saying here. spurs need some help next to tim. and if miller is the only option, so be it.
id just prefer it not be him. hes rather immobile. at his best, he was a good enough defender. now hes just big body in the post, but so is bonner, and we see how much that helps. hes not really a shot blocking presence, and hes only an adequate rebound (still better than what we have though).
millers saving grace is that i think his offensive game fits rather well next to duncan. miller thrives in the high post and he has a reliable jumper. so i think we could play off duncan very well.
I've been ting on Brad Miller for a while, and I won't change my stance..he doesn't help..
yes, offensively, he's a great compliment to Tim..he's arguably the best passing big man in the NBA, he has a good shot from the top of the key..but what's the point? our offense isn't the problem..Bonner spreads the floor, and we already have good ball movement..
his rebounding % is worse than Kurt's, and worse than Fab's from last season..his blocking % is MUCH worse than Kurt's, and on par with Bonner's..his offensive rebound % is worse than Bonner's..
he's an improvement over Bonner, but not by much..Brad Miller isn't scaring anybody..he's a good player though, so if we can actually acquire him with our assets, there's no reason to believe we couldn't acquire a different big man with our assets..somebody worse, but fits our needs..
I'd honestly rather get a young guy like Sean Williams or Josh Boone instead of Miller, since we'd be giving up a lot less..
Getting a good big is nearly impossible (Stern does not want to see the Spurs in the finals again, so stop with the "Gasol trade happened" analogy.) Salmons makes us better and right now seems to be the best option available. Would you rather trade whatever minor pieces we have for Salmons or for a scrub big?
No, you stand pat. You never trade just for the of it, especially when your system takes so long for players to learn, and the guy you are talking about is not what the team needs, and has an $11 million salary.
This is not fantasy basketball.
Since when is Brad Miller even a decent rebound and defender? He does both somewhere between poorly and terribly. Miller's strengths are his passing and the range on his jump shot, that's it. Analogising Miller to Thomas on the defensive end is a grave insult to KT.
Fab is a far better defender than Miller, and about the same as a rebounder.
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