Welcome to Doomsday (The John Hagee Phenomena)

[MannyIsGod]

Ever think that heaven/ was an invention of people seeking control of people in the form of piety?

[2centsworth]

According to you, am I not God's child?

I'm not trying to get you to belive my point of view 2 cents.

I'm having a discussion. My views are irrelevent because I don't subscribe to a religion you deem relevant? How would you ever discuss religion with someone outside of your sphere of beliefs then?

I believe Jesus existed and I believe he had a great philosphy on how to live life that many people could do well to follow.

However, I do not subscribe to a god that most Christians subscribe too, because I don't believe an all loving god places the rules Christians believe he does.

You're god's child like my child will be when she's an adult, so an adult has the ability to make his own decisions.

Your view are not irrelevant, but you say you can't believe in Jesus as God because the bible says some people will go to . The bible say's that going to heaven is as simple as believing in Jesus as Lord. If you don't believe then the choice is your's not his. A lot of God's to choose from, and there can only be one. Eventually you have to choose one, make one up as you go, or be an anthiest. Jesus states if you're an adult you're old enough to make a decision.


What rules are you talking about?

[Jekka]

Jess was still logged in, reposting under my name.
-Manny

[MannyIsGod]

The rules you just laid out.

The rules of the different demoninations.

Mainly, the existence of a , whatever it may be, is contradictory to an all loving and merciful god and can not coexisit, in my view.

I also find it contradictory to say I'm supposed to worship somebody while being on an equal level as them. And if I'm not on an equal level, then how can god not have pity on me regardless of what I may or may not do?

And, I don't need suc b to any organized religion, and I don't need to be an atheist. I can find spirituality within myself, and be at peace with that and nothing more. And if that happens to offend any god or son of god out there, so be it.

[Spurminator]

Ever think that heaven/ was an invention of people seeking control of people in the form of piety?

Most definitely. I have no doubt in my mind there are those in our history who have used the threat of for power without truly believing in God, and I believe there is a place in the deepest circle of for them. But that's really another discussion altogether, isn't it?

The debate is whether or not an Unconditionally Loving God could possibly deny Unconditional Reward.

[MannyIsGod]

The debate is whether or not an Unconditionally Loving God could possibly deny Unconditional Reward.

Ok, and quite simply to me, an unconditionaly loving god could not punish for eternity, or even deny an eternal reward.

I find it contradictory to think that it could.

[2centsworth]

The rules you just laid out.

The rules of the different demoninations.

Mainly, the existence of a , whatever it may be, is contradictory to an all loving and merciful god and can not coexisit, in my view.

I also find it contradictory to say I'm supposed to worship somebody while being on an equal level as them. And if I'm not on an equal level, then how can god not have pity on me regardless of what I may or may not do?

And, I don't need suc b to any organized religion, and I don't need to be an atheist. I can find spirituality within myself, and be at peace with that and nothing more. And if that happens to offend any god or son of god out there, so be it.

The decision is yours.