Sorry obama I draw the line at embryonic destruction

[DarkReign]

Ancient Germanic custom was even more hard-assed than CBF -- it held that the baby isn't a person until someone has fed it.

the mom feeds it the first day it is inside her

Our Gothic forebears weren't as subtle and knowing as you, ducks.

Gold.

[smeagol]

Almost....Whats the point of arguing with people who can't follow their premises to its logical conclusions? If all life is sacred( my presumtion), then how does one justify taking life in some exceptional cases? The only possible answer would be that the right of choice, the right of individual to take control over his/her own life ( and even end it if they so please) outweights the sacred nature of life. But that is not called murder, but suicide.

You are probably advocating the death penatly arent you? If somone does not respect the values i hold dear, i will out of pure outrage disrespect them as well. That will show how serious i am with my beleives? Gimme a break.

I've been discussing abortion, not the death penalty.

I answered a posters quesion regarding when I would advocate for killing someone (off topic). Given that he insisted, I gave him two examples.

And with only this info, you claim to know what my beliefs are regarding the death penalty? It is you who has to give me a break . . .

[InK]

I've been discussing abortion, not the death penalty.

I answered a posters quesion regarding when I would advocate for killing someone (off topic). Given that he insisted, I gave him two examples.

And with only this info, you claim to know what my beliefs are regarding the death penalty? It is you who has to give me a break . . .

I apologize, i was assuming things.

[InK]

I can't give good reason, that is why I would argue at conception. Because we simply don't know.

Yes, that would be logical and completely understandable ( and i would agree wholeheartedly) if the thing incubating the unborn babies was not a human beeing. A human beeing who has some god given rights ( or however u guys put it, correct?) and can enforce them without clearly breaking the rights of another individual, who has those same rights as well? And since status of fetuses is questionable, while status of the mother carrying them is not-- i do not see a good reason why to oppose the right of the individual to have the right of choice.

[Wild Cobra]

If a couple just decided to have unprotected sex and that resulted in the woman's pregnancy, then they should keep the baby. Choices come with consequences, when they chose to have unprotected sex, they should take responsability for their actions. If they really aren't prepared to have the kid, then give him for adoption.

Yes, responsibility is key. Ignorance too. It isn't only unprotected sex that leads to unwanted pregnancies. I would argue that protected sex leads to more unwanted pregnancies than protected sex does.

BIRTH CONTROL HAS A FAILURE RATE!

[ChumpDumper]

I would argue that protected sex leads to more unwanted pregnancies than protected sex does.

You should probably say that you would make up an unfounded argument that protected sex leads to more unwanted pregnancies than protected sex does.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yes, responsibility is key. Ignorance too. It isn't only unprotected sex that leads to unwanted pregnancies. I would argue that protected sex leads to more unwanted pregnancies than protected sex does.

BIRTH CONTROL HAS A FAILURE RATE!

your kidding right?

[Yonivore]

Well, cool hand, it seems you can love The Won, again...

Obama lifted vile Bush stem cell executive order, immediately replaces it with another ban two days later.

It's a hopey changey kind of thing.

Of course, us cynics, will wonder if this was done as a "pump and dump" favor for some folks invested in stem cell research outfits who wanted to get out? I guess it could be a case of signing-before-reading disease...something I'm sure Stem Cell Research promised to cure.

Sucker the rubes back in, let the fat cats flee. It'd be interesting to see if any big money fled Stem Cell Research companies in the past couple of days.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Yes, responsibility is key. Ignorance too. It isn't only unprotected sex that leads to unwanted pregnancies. I would argue that protected sex leads to more unwanted pregnancies than protected sex does.

BIRTH CONTROL HAS A FAILURE RATE!

where the do you get your numbers from to make these ridiculous claims?? I'm seriously asking you, this isn't sarcasm...

[Yonivore]

High school biology apparently isn't required for politicians, lawyers, or Rhodes Scholars.



So, it appears he's opposed to Embryonic Stem Cell research...or, at least he would be, if he knew when fertilization took place. Hey, he signed the original bill placing the ban so, maybe, Slick Willie is just playing both ends against the middle here.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, cool hand, it seems you can love The Won, again...

Obama lifted vile Bush stem cell executive order, immediately replaces it with another ban two days later.

It's a hopey changey kind of thing.

Of course, us cynics, will wonder if this was done as a "pump and dump" favor for some folks invested in stem cell research outfits who wanted to get out? I guess it could be a case of signing-before-reading disease...something I'm sure Stem Cell Research promised to cure.

Sucker the rubes back in, let the fat cats flee. It'd be interesting to see if any big money fled Stem Cell Research companies in the past couple of days.

Of course, you didn't read your own article:

The amendment says, in part: "None of the funds made available in this Act may be used for—(1) the creation of a human embryo or embryos for research purposes; or (2) research in which a human embryo or embryos are destroyed, discarded, or knowingly subjected to risk of injury or death."

Bolding added.

So the bill that was written mostly before Obama took office forbids itself giving money to something that was already banned when it was added.

You're an idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

And a plagiarist.

I wonder if this was done as a "pump and dump" favor for some folks invested in stem cell research outfits who wanted to get out? Sucker the rubes back in, let the fat cats flee.

H/T SDA

Bonus video below the fold - Bill Clinton failing high school biology. High school biology apparently isn't required for politicians, lawyers, or Rhodes Scholars.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/284303.php

The lesson here: when trying to make yourself look smarter than you are, don't pretend to be another idiot.

[Bartleby]

And a plagiarist.

Ouch!

[Wild Cobra]

You should probably say that you would make up an unfounded argument that protected sex leads to more unwanted pregnancies than protected sex does.

Why is it unfounded? How many people not using birth control are trying not to get pregnant?

Key phrase:

UNWANTED PREGNANCY!

[Fernando TD21]

Yes, responsibility is key. Ignorance too. It isn't only unprotected sex that leads to unwanted pregnancies.

Ok, protected sex is not 100% effective in avoiding pregnancy. But there is more than one type of birth control method. The point is, if you don't want to get pregnant, there are many things that you can and should do to avoid it.
But you are right about ignorance, many people doesn't even know or care about birth control methods until it's too late.

I would argue that protected sex leads to more unwanted pregnancies than protected sex does.

BIRTH CONTROL HAS A FAILURE RATE!

[ChumpDumper]

I think the key phrase is the one you compared to itself.

Please correct yourself and we'll continue. I made the mistake of copying and pasting it, compounding the misunderstanding.

[Blake]

And a plagiarist.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/284303.php

The lesson here: when trying to make yourself look smarter than you are, don't pretend to be another idiot.

Sorry CD I draw the line at yonivoric destruction