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You konw, if you ever get the chance, ask Ashley Smith.
So you're saying that if everyone was compassionate, this stuff woudl still happen?
You konw, if you ever get the chance, ask Ashley Smith.
everyone WILL NEVER be compassionate...there WILL ALWAYS BE rapes, murders, thefts, etc...
a world with no crime of any sort will never happen...
i don't need to ask her... i KNOW death is the best sentence for him.. i just wish that the swat team would've killed him..
so you anti-death penalty peeps think it's more compassionate to lock him up, maybe in isolation for the rest of his life than to end his misery?
a dark room. maybe a plate of food a couple times a day....
maybe imprisonment for rapists/murderers is too cush.
if it was , inmates would be clamoring to be put out of their misery...
actually, if they are good, they are let out for up to 1hr every so often to be put in a 10x10 cage for exercise...
So now you guys are concerned about the criminals? Is that compassion I smell?
As long as he's alive, he has a chance to reform himself. Whether he's the Prison Gentleman or simply stops masturbating in solitary confinement. The chance to reform oneself is something that should never be taken from anyone, regardless of their past.
I'm sorry, I guess this is just my personal opinion. I feel that this man deserves to die for the crimes he has committed. I think that if he is proven guilty of the counts of murder currently against him he should be put to death. I don't think it is required of us to grant a person who takes another's life or even multiple lives, the change to reform or redeem themselves. Even if they could be held for the rest of there lives without risk to a single other individual, I don't think that should even be a consideration.
I don't need to bring Jesus or religion into my argument, because frankly, I think it's irrelevent. Fell free to justify your mown stances with religious references, but that is a steep slope to go down.
AS far as the cost of executing people, to me that is another mute point. I don't think price should be that much of a consideration in how justice is served. I'm not saying that it isn't, just that I am not, nor have ever tried to make that point.
The case against this man won't be a question of innocence or of being wrongly accused and convicted of crime. There will be unrefutable evidence for atleast the three killings in the courthouse. We are left then with the question of the man's sanity or his mental stablility at the time of the crimes. This is the only part I can see as being debatable.
I think he was of enough mental stablity to devise a plan of escape, follow through with it, and even be succesful. Now, if he didn't mean to kill the people, why did he go to the court room, why did he kill the judge and the court reporter? What threat to him did they pose? I could understand the motive for killing the guards, but as the limited facts seem to point, he had a specific prpose in what he did. It's not a simple reaction/action set of cir stances.
The man committed a crime worthy of him being put to death. That is my opinion.
Whoa, son.
Women who have been raped have often wished for death over what is happening to them. It is the most violating thing you can do to someone, to rape them. When you are taught to fear parking garages and dark streets and parks after dark because society teaches you that being little is the most desirable thing, automatically victimizing you, then you can talk. And how many women just get raped? There is usually violence attached to that because most women won't lie down and take rape or attempted murder and the people that commit rape are usually violent in the first place. The very nature of rape is violent. That condescending at ude is not flattering on you.
This, I think, sums up the difference of opinion. Those of us in the anti-Death-Penalty camp don't believe the "chance to reform" is ours to give or deny in the first place.I don't think it is required of us to grant a person who takes another's life or even multiple lives, the change to reform or redeem themselves.
Man, I won't EVEN attempt to read the entire contents of this thread before posting my 2 cents worth.
Although I typically oppose the death penalty for economic reasons, Spurm makes a interesting argument with "Those of us in the anti-Death-Penalty camp don't believe the "chance to reform" is ours to give or deny in the first place."
Obviously, I'm not a Christian, but to those of you that are, did God really mean it when "he" said, Thou Shalt Not Kill?
Well, I'd have to say that The Old Testament is probably more favorable to the pro-death penalty crowd. On the surface, anyway. However, we are not establishing Israel here... It's just my opinion, but I think Jesus Christ would oppose it.
if i'm on a jury, it's 1/12th my choice.....
you say chance to reform, i say chance to escape, chance to corrupt other inmates....chance to keep killing.
i imagine many women would say anything to avoid being raped if possible as well, considering the you described jka.
But what about the right to live that was denied to the victim by the murderer? I don't believe that someone who takes the life or lives of others should have the right at a "chance to reform". When you commit such a terrible act, you lose that right IMHO.
That's a valid concern, but it addresses a need to secure Lifers beyond the possibility of escape. If they attempt an escape, shoot to kill. They've been warned.you say chance to reform, i say chance to escape, chance to corrupt other inmates....chance to keep killing.
It's a very rare occurrence that Death Row/Lifers escape, and I don't think you eliminate the possibility either way.
What about it? It's gone anyway. You can't give it back.But what about the right to live that was denied to the victim by the murderer?
I think decapitation trumps rape.
so attempt to escape is your justification for the death penalty.If they attempt an escape, shoot to kill.
finally we've found the line that the antideath crowd will cross....bravo.
rape/murder/pillage a nursing home and a nursery man.....we'll give you life.....don't you run from me though.....
...cuz that's yo ass....got it.
if he is able to escape and getaway though, a magical reset button is pushed and life sentence reinstated..... i love your justice system!
I believe self defense is just cause to kill. If someone breaks into my house, I will shoot him to protect myself and my family. If someone is holding hostages and my sniper has a clean shot at his skull, I order a kill shot. If someone with a life sentence attempts to escape with full knowledge that he will be shot for soing so, he's made his choice.
If I have a criminal captive and he is no longer an immediate threat to society, I lock him up. It's really not that complex or inconsistent. The lives of the innocent far outweigh the lives of the guilty. But if the lives of the innocent are no longer in danger, killing the guilty becomes unnecessary.
So it's forgive and forget? So if we execute him, why can't we just let that go too?
No. It's lock his ass up for life.So it's forgive and forget?
I'm not talking about bringing the executed back from the dead. I'm not even talking about vindicating them.So if we execute him, why can't we just let that go too?
Is, or is not, your justice system based upon the 10 commandments? Are there exceptions to the commandment, thou shalt not kill (5th commandment if I recall correctly)? Are there exceptions (of convenience, of course, because most opinions are driven by convenience) to the other nine commandments?
Inquiring minds want to know. Hypothetically, can I "covet" another man's wife without fear of getting the "shalt killed" out of me.
So, this guy is not an immediate threat, well until he kills again. But I still don't think it matters if the guy is a threat or not. If you take a life, your's should be taken from you. Eye for an eye is what should be used in cases like this.
Spurm, if this guy breaks into your house, kills your family, and you catch him and have a gun, what would you do? Honestly, think this one through.
Yikes.
Question: If the death penalty was used WAY more often, and was used by every state, how much of a drop in violent crimes would you see?
(I was thinking of the scene in Starship Troopers- movie version where the murderer was caught, tried, and executed in a single day.)
I'd probably kill him. That doesn't necessarily make it right for me to do so. Emotional/personal involvement doesn't suddenly make me better at determining right and wrong.
That's the problem with the death penalty. It's about satisfying emotions. It's about satiating our thirst for revenge. But that's not what's best for society.
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