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Right you are!
I agree but she still feels the effects. I don't believe people that say there are no repercussions because I know better. My point was, that while I feel, no one has the right to tell her how to choose or that she cannot choose, people who feel differently have the right to express those feelings.
Right you are!
thank you. and from what I have heard, they kept it peaceful. Some of their friends I ran into a few years back could have used some lessons.
what the stuff is flack?
Activists need to stay out of the public.
Rent some space at the convention center or something and invite the well wishers to come see your .
Because I personally ain't interested, and if I was, I would attend.
This goes with everything.
I'm pretty annoyed at any booth or table set up on campus. Especially those free t-shirt credit card ones. I don't think it's right to display the type of pictures described in open public. I wouldn't have a problem with it if it were indoors or in a tent.
imagine if that booth were 2 stories high and took up the majority of the sidewalk!
also, at IUW some fake credit card booth was set up to steal people's iden ies recently. people thought they were signing up for credit cards... they'll found out what they signed up for soon enough!
Free speech is the most fundamental part of being an American. I applaud this group for having the balls to stand up for what they believe in, even though I hold a vastly different opinion on abortion laws. State-sponsored Censorship is wack and no American should put with it. If displaying 2-story tall photos is how this group feels it can best argue its case then by all means it's how they should do it.
But if those photos get in the way of the students learning and campus function is that still alright?
Activists are a pain in the ass and have never changed my opinion about anything.
If I'm interested in a cause I'll pursue it...I don't need it shoved in my face.
Having an informative, peaceful rally is one thing....having 2 story photo boards of mutilated babies is shoving it in my face, so to speak.
Any student whose "learning" is affected by having seen a demonstration on campus needs to reevaluate their path... You won't get very far in college if your learning is affected by distractions outside of class.But if those photos get in the way of the students learning and campus function is that still alright?
I'd love an explanation on how that exhibit is affecting learning.
Also, activism is not designed to change peoples mind overnight, or argueably even to change minds. It's more about getting information out and drawing attention so that people think about whats going on.
I don't particularly care for demonstrations, period....regardless of their intent.
Yes, well, a lot of people feel that way. But whether or not people care for them, a lot of times they are exposed to information they would not be, and it gets factored into opinions and decision making later on down the line.
For instance, I'm sure many people didn't care for the civil rights demonstrations of the 60s, or for those punk ass kids at Kent State, but how much have those demonstrations changed the fabric of our society?
Well, go live in North Korea you may find a suitable atmosphere for your suggestion.
If I have to get to a class or into a building that has tons of demonstrators or displays around it, it inconveniences me. Now considering that I PAID to be there, I think my rights to the use of the campus FAR exceed the rights of people to protest there. I don't approve of credit card sign up tables, jewelry sales, or protests on a college campus that effect any students not wanting to participate. I see no reason why they can't use an auditorium, conference center, or other meeting complex. Whether I agree with the cause or not, I don't want to see them on campus.
And to say that large pictures of fetuses or other images might not have an effect on people is very short sighted. Some people may not want to get an education at a place that hosts displays that may be very offensive to them. Is that fair?
It's not about your convience.
Well, they are sponsered by a student or a student group. Someone who also pays has to ask them to come, they can't just come on their own.Now considering that I PAID to be there, I think my rights to the use of the campus FAR exceed the rights of people to protest there.
Also, I also pay for you to go there. It's a public university, not a private one.
The information that this group was going to be there, where it was going to display, and when it was going to be there, was readily avaiable beforehand for a good amount of time. You could have avoided it entirely.I don't approve of credit card sign up tables, jewelry sales, or protests on a college campus that effect any students not wanting to participate.
There is no reason why they can't do that, they can do that. They won't do that because hiding your protests away, doesn't tend to be very effective.I see no reason why they can't use an auditorium, conference center, or other meeting complex. Whether I agree with the cause or not, I don't want to see them on campus.
I wonder how effective a sit in the 60s would have been had it been done in tucked away venue? I'm guessing not very.
I never said it woudln't effect them, in fact the exhibit would be pretty useless if it didn't effect them. What I said is that you ahd options and choices. Next time, if it bothered you that much (and I know it didn't, but for the sake of the arguement we'll say it did), do you plan on being more informed about the exhibits that are being put up in order to plan your route more carefully?And to say that large pictures of fetuses or other images might not have an effect on people is very short sighted. Some people may not want to get an education at a place that hosts displays that may be very offensive to them. Is that fair?
And if you don't like the that kind of freedom at a public university, you can always go to a private one.
Manny, your are full of . If a giant pro death penalty exhibit of a pro life protest was going on in front of the cafeteria, and it delayed you from getting your coffee, you wouldn't be very happy about that would you?
I don't care if they are sponsored by student groups, or only have students in the events. The university is not there to be a political statement proving grounds. It's sole purpose is to provide people with an education. There are plenty of public places for organizing protests that won't interfear with the educations of others.
One person's freedom of speech ends when it harms another individual's right to an education. I don't think I should have to plan for these events and take MY OWN TIME to firgure out a way around them. That is BS.
Why should I have to go to a private university when I pay for an education at a public one? I think it's ridiculous to have such distractions in the middle of a campus. What right does one person have to hinder another from getting what they payed for?
Are you going to answer my question?
Next time, if it bothered you that much (and I know it didn't, but for the sake of the arguement we'll say it did), do you plan on being more informed about the exhibits that are being put up in order to plan your route more carefully?
Tell you what, since I'm full of , I suggest you sue them for hindering your education. I mean , you must have some form of recourse!
Just for s and giggles though, explain to me how it was hindered?
Oh and I would hate a pro death penalty exhibit. BUT I WOULD FIGHT FOR IT'S RIGHT TO BE PUT UP IN THE SAME SPOT AS THIS ONE.
Yeah, like I should have to take even MORE TIME to plan my route out around every protest that may be a nuisance. Or your other suggestion is even better, take the TIME AND MONEY to sue them!!! Maybe the protestors would be considerate of my rights to an education while trying to spread their own message.
i'm still trying to figure out how manny is anti-death penalty, but pro-abortion... beats the out of me...
I dont get it, as much as conservatives complain about the liberal agenda being spread on college campuses and the conservative agenda being severely handicapped in the same place, I would figure that conservatives would be happy that such a display went up.
probably the same way many conservatives are pro-death penalty and anti-abortion.
Manny doesn't think babies are alive.
, no no, you're confusing your right to an education which wasn't obstructed, to your right to have everything just the way you want it with no disturbances, which isn't actually real.
It's a shame it was a nuisance, but that hardly kept you from getting an education. It obviously didn't bother you to the point you'd take time to do something about it, other than . (you could have done the former in the time it took you to do the latter)
Your kidding me. Your right to get a quick coffee is more important than their first ammendment right?
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