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Don't anyone tell Brewski that the Knicks top defensive "coincidences" have all come since the trade...we wouldn't want him to start having credible takes.
I'd STFU about Malik's shooting pct as well...he's shooting better than Nazr is since the trade...I do give Nazr props for finally creeping over 40% though...
I know, I know, Nazr plays for a new team while Malik doesn't and Malik gets to play with Tim Duncan, and he gets the benefit of playing against ty EC teams like the Heat twice in the past week...While Nazr has to earn it against tough defensive teams like the Bobcats.
Don't anyone tell Brewski that the Knicks top defensive "coincidences" have all come since the trade...we wouldn't want him to start having credible takes.
i think Nazr fits in better than Malik in the Silver & Gray uniform, how i wish the two to come from the bench, same minutes, it would have been easier for us to compare the two.
...let's give him more time to fit in.
Kori, I'm not saying he didn't have a solid game. I'm just saying we lost because of our sorry shooting and Tony's personal nemesis (Marbury). Malik had a solid stat line, but take him away from the Knicks and they still win with how we played tonight.
Well everyone is hyping Nazr becasue of his starting numbers VS Malik off the bench...
Go take a look at Nazr's bench numbers compiled on lottery teams(in and of itself a revealing fact)and see if you like that comparison any better...
How much time you want to give him to fit in?
Till next season like AHF?
I didn't realize our purpose was to be a halfway house for Knicks reclamation projects...I thought our goal was to win an NBA le.
Even if he does get it figured out in time for the playoffs...by then he's going to have a new learning experience called the NBA playoffs...I don't think he got very much experience last season as he was getting swept by the Nets.
And MB nailed it on this crap about Malik Rose's size...
The NBA didn't just all of a sudden get taller...it's been that way for while...Last year when we lost, size wasn't our problem but a lack of Malik Rose might have been...he always seemed to do fine before.
i think Nazr played well not JUST against the lowly team the Bobcats but he has produced 13 pts(4-7=57%FG), 8 rbds against the reigning champs Detroit.
And i saw how Malik fare with the Spurs in the last 2 yrs. He's no longer the 1999 Malik despite the locker room leadership.
i'm not asking an eternity here, i can see the promise. let's give Pops some credit. Let's not make the Nazr trade a mistake.
for me, it's still Nazr > Malik for the Spurs.
I'm surprized to see people think Malik actually had a good game. I admit, i didn't actually see the game, i followed the live play by play instead, and Malik did make up somewhat for his poor play in the first half with his play down the stretch, but here are my observations:
If Malik was trying to show Pop he was wrong for trading him, he did the exact opposite, he showed Pop excactly why he was traded, and why he was in the doghouse for much of last two seasons. Malik tried to play like a star yesterday, he was trying to play in a way that was way above his ability, just what Pop has been critisizing him for. He played starters minutes (in fact most starters don't play 38 minutes a night) and he
1. shot far too much (18 FGA is far too much for a player Malik's quality, unless he is hot on the night)
2. shot poorly (18 points isn't that great of an accomplishment when you are shooting 6-18)
3. he turned the ball over far too much and didn't get a single assist in the process (0 assists to 5 turnovers)
(he could've made up a bit if he at least had a good rebounding night, but 7 rebounds in 38 minutes is far below what he is capable of)
The Spurs need role players who play within their role, not players who try to take over the game at any cost. In my opinion Nazr had a better game. If you extrapolate his numbers to per 38 minutes, he would've had 12 points on 43% FGs, 12 rebounds (10 offensive), 2 blocks, 5 turnovers and 5 fouls.
The Knicks don't have an interior presence named Tim Duncan and they need Malik's scoring more than the Spurs, especially tonight with Kurt Thomas out. I'd say all but about 5 of Malik's shots were open shots he got off running the picnroll with Marbury that the Spurs didn't send a defender......they dared Malik to shoot and it worked in the first half when he was nervous..
In the second half he started hitting them and the Spurs had to send a defender...and the next thing you know Marbury destroyed us once the paint opened up...then they stopped sending the defender again and Malik put us down for the count with daggers.
All those shots were taken within the Knicks offense and I'd say every J he took he was wide open, once his nerves calmed down it worked.
I'm not going to say Malik never hogs the ball or takes bad shots because he does...but that wasn't what happened tonight...he played team ball and those shots were his to take.
You say Malik isn't a star...I say look at bigmen that the Knicks had available...Mo Taylor...good J but he plays no D and he has already worn out his welcome in NY I get the impression. Jerome Williams...has less range than Nazr..I am not sure about Sweetney but his game looks more like a C and the Spurs took him out of the game anyway...No Kurt Thomas either..
And I'll tell you something else...they could have never pulled that type off offense off tonight with Nazr Mohammed because he does not have that kind of range...he clogs the paint and gets in the way of their guard oriented offense and I think that's why they weren't sorry to see him go.
Last edited by whottt; 03-22-2005 at 07:47 AM.
I was talking about the 4th quarter of THIS game.
I'm guessing that sentence comprehension isn't one of your strong points.
Put Malik's numbers on our team last night: 6 for 18 (30%) with 5 TOs, no assists and only 7 rebounds in 38 minutes and the wolves would be howling. I don't see how he would have reasonably helped the Spurs who shot less than 40% for the night themselves.
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