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Has gortat shown any offensive abilities other than dunking the ball? How has his defense looked during the series? I really havn't been able to watch too many orlando games so I was just wondering.
I think the Spurs should go up to 6.5 mill a year with this guy... maybe even more... 20 mill 3 year offer is very deserving too...
Has gortat shown any offensive abilities other than dunking the ball? How has his defense looked during the series? I really havn't been able to watch too many orlando games so I was just wondering.
As a Magic fan I've seen him develop this year, unfortunately I doubt we could keep him..
Strengths:
Solid defender, doesn't make much mistakes other than just not getting enough experience.. he'll learn
Can block shots easily, and keeps blocked shots inbounds
Good offensive rebounder
Good offensive game, confident around the rim and has a good short jumper (Dwight can actually learn from him around the hoop)
VERY underrated dunker
Good at getting charge calls
Weaknesses:
While he is a good rebounder, he often jumps at the wrong times and thus losing an easy defensive board
He has good hands but he bobbles the ball a lot if you're attempting a shovel pass, etc
Doesn't have the quickest lateral movement.. can get beat sometimes (as Big Z showed lol)
I definitely think he can be a 10/8 player next year.. maybe even more depending how teams use him.
well if were not going to get wallace or mcdyess him and bourousis would be nice i guess
The guy doesn't sound too bad..No way I would pay him more than 4 mil a year though..
The bottom line is this...big men with Gortat's abilities on an NBA level are few and far between. They are hard to spot and even harder to keep. We know this from experience. There have been two big needs on this team for a while now...a new SF to replace Bruce and a mobile big who plays defense and gets on the boards. From a free agency standpoint, there aren't any realistic options to upgrade the SF position significantly. The players that are available are either going to be too expensive or will opt to stay with the the teams they are currently on.
If we plan to make a run at Gortat we have offer him the full MLE. You can't just keep low balling good players and expect them to jump. Having him on our front line would be an instant upgrade defensively and it would help shore up our mismatches that we have had when facing other contenders that have big, physical front lines. Add in the fact that he has shown he can step up his game when called upon in the playoffs and 5 million a year seems like a bargain.
id be very happy with Gortat. he provides what we need inside as much or more than anyone else who is attainable and is young
Nice mix. He has really nice touch with the left hand.
This is, by far, the soundest justification I've read to support the case for giving Gortat the MLE. You've made some very salient points. I like the idea of potentially pairing this kid up with Duncan and having Ian developing in a support role. I also like a potential future frontline of Ian, Gortat and Splitter.
The acquisition of Gortat would present a significant frontline upgrade and also allow us to "put the bed" the unfounded talk of possible Sheed and Camby acquisitions.
I would not mind Gortat either, but having trouble seeing him at the MLE level given the limited playing time and stats he has produced. Let's hope this is a guy we can get for less money, nice job Orlando for getting him for peanuts this year, but I guess they don't like him out there with Howard much.
Last edited by Knoxxx; 05-29-2009 at 08:44 PM.
Solid big men are worth a lot on the market, he probably will get a contract in the 6 mil range. Best case scenario, he wants to play for a winner, likes SA and is willing to take a long term deal at a reduced rate, maybe 20 for 4 years. He would fit in extremely well with Timmy on the floor, and is a huge upgrade over Matt and KT in almost every way. KT is still a little better on the ball defender, and Matt is obviously a better shooter, but other than that...
Gortat would be great.
Gortat will want money. A s&t involving kurt Thomas someone who the magic wanted badly last year is a possibility.
EricB how that would work money wise for orlando and the Spurs?
The only we i think we still this guy is because the Magic will have to pay Hedo and will be over the tax... sucking up Thomas contract goes against that.. Im confused :S
Thanks soul for these observations. Interesting big indeed
SF- Bowen, Finley, Gist, Hairston, Williams
PF/C(not Timmy)- KT, Bonner, Ian
I think the big outlook is much more precarious right now. If Hairston an one of Williams/Gist make it, i think the Spurs are fine in that department. But the Spurs NEED to sign Javtokas/Bourasis/ Gortat/McDyess to end up with a solid frontline. And also have Bonner only be ahead of KT in rotations.
Here's the concern I have about Gortat :
The Magic have deemed that he can't play next to Howard, only in replacement of. I certainly can't remember them playing together. 82games doesn't list a Howard-Gortat pairing in the top 20 of 5 man floor units by playing time.
If he can't play next to Howard, then how could he start next to Duncan who is a good bit slower than Howard now at this point of his career?
Who will be covering the faster, more mobile big men? The Magic coaching staff has determined that it wouldn't work in Orlando with Howard, but somehow he's supposed to fit right in with Duncan?
He couldn't play next to Howard because they play the same game on offense and defense. It would make no sense to run them together. Tim doesn't really play as much of a post up game anymore, he shoots ft line jumpers now. And on D, its not like we have anyone who can cover quick big men anyways, and if we need that, we bring Ian "Ow, Ankle Hurts" Mahinimi.
The Magic coaching staff are morons.
Throwing mid level $$ at a guy who has not sustained consistency in the NBA is not the way to go, especially considering that the Spurs want a proven player that will help us compete for les while Duncan can still get up and down the court. Considering that we have Ian and we will be signing Splitter next year it makes more sense to sign someone like Mcdyess/Wallace. Having said this all, Gortat will not be getting mid level $$, unless someone like Cuban goes overboard. I wouldn't be surprised to see him sign a 1-year deal if he doesn't get a deal at or around $20-25M. Regardless of how good a big man is defensively or on the boards, if he does not have a post game he is not worth big money. Just look at Marcus Camby, Ben Wallace, Malik Rose, Jim Mcclvaine, etc. Just a few examples of big men who were drastically overpaid and drastically hurt their respective teams' salary caps. The plan should be to sign a vet for 1 yr (Rasheed/Mcdyess) and the go after Bosh next year. If Ian pans out and Splitter comes over next year we'll be set up front.
All these people that want Wallace/Dice over Gortat will be cussing the front office when Gortat is putting up 10/8/2 on another team next season.
rookie has the same strategy as me i want to win now
He'd be better than any big we have on the roster not named Tim duncan at this point. He contests shots at the rim without fouling, can rebound, has a solid jumper, and can even throw it down at the rim (when he doesn't bobble the ball a bit on passes).
Getting McDyess or Sheed will not help the Spurs anymore short-term than Gortat. And long-term, he blows their worth(even combined), out of the water. If Bourasis or Javtokas could be brought over for a decent price, then forget him. But aging vets obviously aren't the way to go.
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