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This bears repeating to illustrate how ignorant you are...
Idiot...All NBA and MVP is voted on by the media.Uh, not everyone who votes for All NBA, All D, MVP, etc. are from the media you know.
Fitting response from an admitted moron.
All Defense is voted on by coaches...you are right...Shaq has only made all defense 3 times in his career, after Mutombo, Robinson, Olaujuwon and Ewing got old....Drob made it every year of his career until he missed a season with injury...
Who the got owned again?
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There was no foul!! Kobe was moving!
Kobe??
I thought the foul was on Butler!
It's pretty much as simple as saying look at their stats, look at their awards, and even look at their les if you want. Shaq has Drob beat in every fathomable category save for defense, which Drob was an overrated and soft pansy at anyway. Oh, and of course, longevity is important, and Shaq has had it over the course of his career, Drob did not.
Robinson (14 seasons):
52% FG, 74% FT, 21ppg, 2.5 apg, 1.4 spg, 3 bpg, 11 rpg, 2.5 TO per game
O'Neal (in his 13th season):
58% FG, 53% FT, 23ppg, 2.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.9 bpg, 10.5 rpg, 3.0 TO per game
Awards:
Robinson:
ROY, DPOY, MVP, All-NBA 8 times (4 1st team/2 2nd team/4 3rd team), All-Defensive team 8 times (4 1st team/4 2nd team), 10-time All Star, Sportsmanship Award, Community Assist Award (which was also named after him), scoring le, rebounding le, 5 IBM Awards, 50 Greatest Players.
O'Neal:
ROY, MVP, All-NBA 9 times (4 1st/2 2nd/3 3rd), All-Defensive team 2 times (2 2nd team), 11-time All Star, 2 scoring les, 2 IBM Awards, 50 Greatest Players.
My mistake i watch the gameretape) yesterday. I dont know why i have Kobe in my had maybie becouse of last shot, but anyway there was no foul becouse he was moving. The refs could call the foul but they didnt.
Refs usually don't call fouls at the end of games, Barry used his elbow to get Butler out of the way, I'ts called "home cooking" and the spurs are really blessed by playing at the barn called "home".
Your so ing frustrated and bored with your lottery bound team that your paying more attention and spending more time here. Your a closet Spurs fan just admit it.
You mean what the Lakers got for many years with Shaq and Kobe?
Sweet revenge (even though it was a blocking foul)!
In the Manu´s Forum, we have a diehard Laker fan too, from Argentina
He´s very Funny, he want that Manu have a great game vs Lakers, but he want LA win
But everybody says him then basket is a Team Game, and Manu is a Team Player and he always be unhappy if the Team Lost
When Manu Scores 33 and Lakers win in 2OT, he was Very Very Happy
Why are we forgeting the Spirit of this thread?
Butler was moving and didn't have position. That's called a blocking foul.
He has had other posts on the ESPN boards.
He has also kept up his production and is still the most dominant player in the game. Drob blew out his back and was a s of his former self afterwards.Um, Shaq has missed more games to injury in 12 seasons than Drob missed in his entire careeer.
Yeah, you’re right, the media does vote on All NBA and MVP awards, and those members are equally divided from each of the NBA cities, including SA. However you look at it, it’s a fair and reasonable process, and Drob still gets owned. Point blank; you still lose. Again.Idiot...All NBA and MVP is voted on by the media.
All Defense is voted on by coaches...you are right...Shaq has only made all defense 3 times in his career....Drob made it every year of his career until he missed a season with injury...
What? This has nothing to do with anything, as I said before, Shaq won with the players he had.He did obviously...he's the one that went to LA...and he's the one that would allow himself to be traded to certain teams.
Was that the same year the Spurs still had the best defensive/rebounding PF in the game in Dennis Rodman? Yup.Yeah, he went to the finals and lost to the same team that prevented Drob going to the finals...the difference is that Shaq got swept with an ALL NBA Guard and a 3 time Champion Power Forward...while Drob went 2-4 and lost one game when Elliott choked two Free Throws.
Um...you do realize that Duncan wasn't the guy guarding Shaq don't you? And you do realize that regardless of what Shaq did against the rest of the NBA...when we lost to LA Kobe was the reason.
Who says he didn’t? All I said was that your point is 100% moot, as Wilt didn’t defend as well as Russell, but no one in their right mind would claim that Russell > Wilt, which was my entire point from the beginning. Shaq is arguably the most unstoppable and most dominant offensive force ever, Drob most certainly was not.Who says Wilt didn't play D?
Uh, OK, this has nothing to do with anything.What Wilt couldn't do was have 5-7 Hall of Fame teamates every year of his career.
Ten years of matchups? You said you only wanted to use the years before Drob got injured. If you want to include Drob’s post-97 performances against Shaq, be my guest.ten years of matchups and 4 post season meeting is a limited sample size?
What else am I supposed to tell you, the guy didn’t last as long as Shaq. That’s it, there’s nothing else to the argument. I have nothing against Drob personally.It's Drob's fault...if he hadn't decided to honor his country....if he hadn't played for Team USA a record 8 times, including that time he had a hernia...he probably would have had a longer career.
No, but he would play longer in the NBA. And please, let’s not get into how “great” Drob was off the court, that’s just deflects from the point I was making; Shaq > Drob.Drob was too much of a pussy to have a long career...he should have sat out a third of the season every other year and refused to represent his country because of fear for his own safety like Shaq...then he'd be tough right?
Longevity doesn’t = a career until age 38. If Shaq plays well until age 35, he will have had exactly eight more dominant seasons than Drob was able to muster. He has had six more dominant seasons than Drob ever had, so he needs to last only two more years to have more than double the amount of dominant seasons Drob had.You did when you mentioned longevity...
Drob lost when it mattered, in the postseason. He never led a team to the Finals. Shaq did, he actually got there, only to be beaten by a better center. No shame in calling Dream the better player, I thought he was and still do (not offensively, but certainly defensively). Shaq also beat a Jordan-led Bulls team in 95, Drob did no such thing. Playing in the “greatest era of centers” has nothing to do with anything, Shaq wasn’t affected by it, he still put up the same numbers and still beat Jordan and went to the Finals. That was before he led another team to 3 les (shared the leading with Kobe for the 3rd) and another Finals after that. Guess what, he’s doing the same with the Miami Heat. Yeah, he has had great teammates, and players don’t make teams by themselves. But Shaq has still done everything Drob has done as a player and more, and for a much longer period of time (6 additional years and counting).He's lost with regularity throughout his career? He got swept one time in his entire career....he has a winning record against every C of his era, his era being the greatest era of the C...half of Shaq's career there was no other great Center..and the half that did have great C's Shaq got his ass kicked.
What the are you talking about kid?Oh but more people voted for Bush than any other president in history...using idiot logic(I like to call it Kaster logic)...that means Bush is the greatest president in history.
LOL, the Sportsmanship and Community Assist awards?
Keep it up Kaster!, even though you're an idiot!
Keep up what? Kicking his own ass?
The only thing he's got to back up his claim is popularity awards...and that's what I laughed at him about at the beginning, Kaster's a joke...he's not even worth digging up the self ass kicking quotes about media and big market bias...
He totally discounts non biased awards, he gives individual credit for team accomplishment...it's just pathetic...if all the Shaq hypers argued as he does...no one would think Shaq was better than Drob. He's his own worst enemy and he proves my points for me(that Drob is > Shaq, and that he is an idiot).
why does anyone give the benefit of responding to these clowns like Kaster and God.
Ignore them, and they go away, that in simple.
Krapster and fla"k"erdog. 2 peas in a pod, idiots in a shining sea of barney purple & fool's gold, going fishing early.
dog is loser...keep on bringin' it Krapster...you're sinking to his level.
That every great player in history has won, no matter what city they played in. Stockton and Malone certainly never played in a big market or popular city, but they certainly still won their fair share of All NBA, All Defensive, MVPs, etc. awards. Popularity contest my ass, it was plain and simple voting based on what they saw with their own two eyes.
Yeah, your previous "ass kickings" included a handful of matchups pre-96 and....pretty much nothing else. Apparently longevity is an island somewhere where you must be 38 years old to be accepted.and that's what I laughed at him about at the beginning, Kaster's a joke...he's not even worth digging up the self ass kicking quotes about media and big market bias...
Forget awards, just look at his statistics and his dominance. Watch him play once and a while too, he's drawing more double and triple teams at age 32 than Drob ever did at ANY point in his career. That's because he's a dominant player, something Drob never really was.He totally discounts non biased awards,
Not really. Drob had Rodman in the smack middle of his prime and decent role players for two seasons, while Shaq had Penny and some slightly better role players for those same two seasons (94 and 95). Even with Michael Jordan out of the picture, the Spurs still couldn't get to the Finals. You want to ignore his team accomplishments as a Laker? Sure, that's fine, he had Kobe, Phil, etc., I'll agree to that. As an Orlando Magic player? Heck no, had very similar help to Drob.he gives individual credit for team accomplishment...
Haha, take a poll in this universe, NO ONE believes Drob > Shaq except for moron homer Spurs fans. , I'd bet the majority of Spurs fans believe Shaq > Drob.it's just pathetic...if all the Shaq hypers argued as he does...no one would think Shaq was better than Drob. He's his own worst enemy and he proves my points for me(that Drob is > Shaq, and that he is an idiot).
Oh, and good form not responding to the rest, pretty bad ownage there.
Oh come on MIB, do you really believe Drob>Shaq? Bring that crap to a Laker or Magic board (or any board anywhere on the Internet) and you'd get laughed off.
The essence of Kaster:
To which whottt responded:LMAO, Drob > Shaq? Shaq overhyped due to the markets he has been in? Just too ing funny.
At which point you proceeded to give yourself the self asskicking of the century with the following comments:
You sound like a cheerleader.
You are incapable of thinking for yourself and can only parrot what the media has told you.
Further proof that you are a media owned dullard:
To which my property responded:
No ...I don't lose, you do. You needed to shut up after "yes, you are right".
The thing is...
You are so owned by popular opinion you cannot even see it...my point was right...the major you points you can use to hype Shaq are all popularity awards...and you don't know what the you are talking about without Linda Cohn there to get your back.
You know what else popularity does? It gets Yao voted into the AS game ahead of Shaq...it also gets 40 million germans to follow Hitler...What it doesn't do, unfortunately for you, and them, and the All Star Game...is make you right.
Last edited by whottt; 04-05-2005 at 04:44 AM.
By the way...
Your le arguments suck...
Basically, you think...
Kobe = Vinny Del Negro...Got it.
Getting swept by the Rockets in the finals is not a greater accomplishment than than losing to them 2-4 in the WCF.
Shaq also had an All Star Power Forward with multiple rings on his team...Not to mention an All NBA Guard(since popularity means so much to you)
Dennis Rodman missed nearly half the season the year the Spurs went to the WCF. And he didn't even play in every game of the WCF.
And Shaq never beat Jordan...he got swept by him.
As for their 10 years...I already did...Drob has a winning record against Shaq in his career....his entire career...admittedly...he had a better record when he was getting Shaq in foul trouble.
Last edited by whottt; 04-05-2005 at 04:43 AM.
I realize you have nothing against Drob...you calling him a soft pansy drove that point home...
The media voting has nothing to do with anything, ignore them completely if you like. The point has been and will always remain; Shaq > Drob, based on various stats, various milestones reached, and just by watching them play. Ignore the media, just ask any diehard NBA fan, they'll all tell you the same thing; Shaq > Drob. It's that simple. You want to believe it has something to do with the media, when all it is is using your eyeballs and forming an opinion.
You missed the point, per usual. Oh and of course, you missed the 20 other points you failed to address (you can't).Further proof that you are media owned dullard:
To which my property responded:
No ...I don't lose, you do.
Hey, I'm not the one stupid enough to claim Drob > Shaq. What's next Duncan > Jordan?You needed to shut up after "yes, you are right".
LMAO. You suck at reading. My major points other than All NBA/MVP votes were their stats and impact they had on their on the floor, especially with their similar supporting casts in 94 and 95, specifically. Your response; nada. And that's the right choice, there is really no way to refute those points.The thing is...
You are so owned by popular opinion you cannot even see it...my point was right...the major you points you can use to hype Shaq are all popularity awards...
LOL, is this really the best you can do? Big market media clouding the judgment of fans? Talk to any non-brain dead basketball fan who has watched the game for years, they'll tell you the same thing; Shaq > Drob. Drob was a great player. He wasn't as great as Shaq. It's really not even debatable. Even his stats don't really do Shaq justice.and you don't know what the you are talking about without Linda Cohn there to get your back.
You know what else popularity does? It get Yao voted into the AS game ahead of Shaq...it also gets 40 million germans to follow Hitler...You know you're desperate when you compare Shaq's greatness to Adolf Hitler. Thanks for losing the argument all on your own.
Actually...the funny part is when you go on adnauseum about what people think...yet when I made that point about Bush it went totally over your head...
I guess that's because you believed the media when they said Bush wouldn't win....dint ya?
Must suck not having a mind of your own. Must also lead to you finding out you were wrong, the hard way, often.
LMAO, still not reading I see. I said forget the Lakers seasons if you want, he still kicked ass with about as good a supporting cast as Drob had in 94 and 95, to which you replied....yeah well, that's right, you didn't reply.
No, but he did get to the Finals, and he did indeed beat the Jordan-led Bulls. What did Drob do the other year he had Rodman? That's right, nothing, again.Getting swept by the Rockets in the finals is not a greater accomplishment than than losing to them 2-4 in the WCF.
What? Put the crackpipe down kid, the Magic beat the Bulls in 94-95.And Shaq never beat Jordan...he got swept by him.
LOL, so Shaq, pre-prime form, didn't always beat Drob during his prime in the limited times they met before he blew out his back. What did he do to Drob after the back injury? Exactly.As for their 10 years...I already did...Drob has a winning record against Shaq in his career....his entire career...admittedly...he had a better record when he was getting Shaq in foul trouble.
I got your point on the les.....you think Kobe = Vinny Del Negro
And you think Shaq taking the money and running from the franchise that drafted him and going to the largest city in the NBA, to a legenday franchise, GM, and later coach, also equals winning with what he had....
Winning with what he had means staying in Orlando...
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