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I agree with this. I don't think it's the be all end all of measuring sticks, but a championship or more being the dominant player does consolidate your greatness, IMHO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...Michael_JordanVertical leap: 48 in (122 cm)
It's from wikipedia, so take that for what it's worth.
I agree with this. I don't think it's the be all end all of measuring sticks, but a championship or more being the dominant player does consolidate your greatness, IMHO.
Lebron's 40:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...-james-what-ifAt 6'8" and at 250 lbs with a timed 4.40 40-yard dash
I should say multiple les like Hakeem/Shaq/Duncan/MJ
'04 with the Pistons was kinda weird, because Billups is not an all time great, nor was everyone else on that team.
'06 w/ the Mavs IMO was Dirk being in the right place at the right time. Shaq/Kobe was over by then, Lebron hadn't matured yet, and we won a coin flip against the Spurs. We beat the Heat, but the Heat were probably one of the weaker Finals teams in recent memory. The fact that we weren't able to repeat as champs to some extent showed that while Dirk is a great player, he's not a legendary player.
'08 w/ the Celtics hhmm... KG is great, I just don't think he belongs in the Duncan/Jordan/Hakeem/Shaq class of players. Same goes W/ Pierce
But to conclude, a lot of the great ringless players in the past was usually due to a flaw in their game or maybe they just weren't great ENOUGH.
I guess my point, is when people say Jordan is better than Kobe simply because of rings. Or when people say Kobe is better than Lebron simply because of rings. Terrible argument.
The reason Jordan > Kobe is because he had superior leadership characteristics, which helped him lead his team to 6 les.
And Lebron is better than Kobe, regardless of rings, which goes even further to prove that the rings stuff is not a very good measuring stick.
Lebron is better than Kobe RIGHT NOW.
But let's see him do what Kobe has been doing for 13 seasons.
I was half-kidding with that comment but if you want to be reasonable, fine.Come now, let's be reasonable.
Blame me for bringing up Kobe at other times, sure, but it wasn't me this time....this one was obviously Urunobili and he knew it when he did it too
The first thing I thought when I saw your comment was: "he says that to imply that Kobe and the Lakers will win the next 3 or 4 championships (like you said many times on this board), by then the Lebron mania will be over and he will never win a championship and will go down in history as a worst player than Kobe therefore installing the LBJ-Kobe argument" and I bet that when you posted that comment you were thinking something along these lines.
Riding Shaq's back to championships, then when getting his own team, choking playoff series/championships away?
How impressive
Anyone who thinks Jordan wouldn't score with even more ease in today's game is ing re ed. It seems like the level of compe ion is just weak right now compared to past years, and MJ would eat everyone alive. Take away that handcheck, and watch Michael's super quick first step come into play a lot more as he just burns defender after defender.
Kobe has 3 NBA Championships.
Lebron has 0.
I'm kidding with you too, you're a Kobe/Laker hater but you're reasonable and that's cool.
I truly think LeBron will have a hard time getting past Dwight this year. And next year the Cavs team is a mess...probably won't even be a Top 3 team. And by the following year, maybe a Top 10 team. I think Kobe is the least of LeBron's worries since Kobe's in the West.The first thing I thought when I saw your comment was: "he says that to imply that Kobe and the Lakers will win the next 3 or 4 championships (like you said many times on this board), by then the Lebron mania will be over and he will never win a championship and will go down in history as a worst player than Kobe therefore installing the LBJ-Kobe argument" and I bet that when you posted that comment you were thinking something along these lines.
The Cavs are a win now team, by next year, they will suffer the same fate as the Celtics.
This Cavs team will have peaked this year; and at its peak, I don't think they're good enough to get past the Magic.
I highly doubt there will be a Kobe/LeBron Finals this year, and I'm sure it won't happen after this year unless LeBron moves zip codes.
Jeez man haven't you learned by now what all of their responses will be to this? Hopefully in a month they will have to go back to the rapist thing but this will never fly on this forum even though you're right.
I see the Lakers as a much bigger case of a "win now team" than the Cavs, remember: this is the first year that this Cavs core play toghether, if they lose they can still take it as "experience" for next year. If the Lakers lose they'll be getting their second consecutive frustration. If LA doesn't win this year many of the current players on its roster will be gone for next season.
It's more about age of the Cavs big men than anything.
BigZ, Ben Wallace, Joe Smith are all around 35 years old. The Cavs won't have much of a Center after this year. Verajao's the only decent young big man left.
Cavs also play a very small starting guard duo of West & Mo...probably the shortest starting Guard Duo in the NBA. The Cavs will have to move one of them to get some size in the back court.
Cavs have alot of questions to be answered after this run; that's why I think this year is the closest LeBron will come to an NBA Championship for a long time to come.
lol, mj nostalgia
No the Lakers have a plethora of young talent and all of their star players are in their primes right now. Their window is open for the next 3-4 years.
Defensive 3 second rule makes it easier to drive to the rim nowadays. Stern planned it this way.
Prime Jordan would average 40-50 in today's game.
LeBron would have more than 3 les by now if he had Prime Shaq to ride.
the fact that the Lakers failed in 04 big time falls all on kobe bryant for sucking hard.
Funny how Laker fans give Kobe credit for riding shaq's coattails. Penny Hardaway, Dwyane Wade ring a bell? all went to the finals too, and Wade won it too.
Haven't you been here long enough? The Mavs are the 2006 Champs. ass Ghazi will ramble on and on if you think otherwise....
Does being a nonconformist make you feel cool? Dude, in this case, the masses are right...MJ had the quickest first step ever. The handcheck was invented to negate that first step. You do the math.
If you choke again this year that team will collapse pretty fast
LeBron by the other hand... he wins it all.. he starts a dynasty in Cleva...
Sure, James is one freak of nature. Then again, Jordan would completely blow by him during his prime. I don't think James has the capacity to handle Jordan one on one. James might be very strong, but he needs to maximize that by having a post-game. Jordan had a post game, James nada
Lebron has a ton of holes in his game right now that are compensated for by his freakish athleticism. Until he plugs all of those gaps he can't be compared to MJ IMHO.
MJ was able to play at a dominant level until his mid to late 30's. Does anyone here seriously believe Lebron will be dominant past 30?
Jordan and his game were a lot better looking.
And since this is entertainment...
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