Jefferson Deal = Gasol Deal?

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[Yuixafun]

I remember Phil Jackson reaction to the Gasol trade on PTI when it first went down.

TK: "... I can get you Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown, what did you say back?"

PJ: -3 seconds of silence, before wry grin breaks free, laughing- "No you can't."

[Allanon]

After the Lakers saw Marc Gasol play in the Olympics, they knew they had made a mistake.

Mitch Kupchak and Kobe Bryant both acknowledged they shouldn't have given up Marc Gasol. Marc Gasol was the steal of the deal, not Pau Gasol.

[Purple & Gold]

So now the same spurs fans that were crying collusion about the Gasol trade are now saying they can see the reasoning behind this one for the Bucks.

One thing I like about spurs fans is they can twist anything to fit their needs. Lakers gave up 4 first rounders (Marc was first round talent at time of trade) and cap space, spurs just gave up capspace and will probably get those players back. But to spurs fans it still doesn't compare because Gasol is a Franchise player and Jefferson is only average or slightly above average.

[Ninja]

Does anyone see the irony in Lakers fans saying Jefferson isn't that great and the Spurs still aren't close to the Lakers out of one side of their mouth, but this is comparable to the Gasol trade out of the other?

[Yuixafun]

So who was the lifetime Spur and former GM on the Bucks that helped facilitate this trade?

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Funny how you go to any neutral board like the NBA forum on Realgm and the only ones talking about how reasonable the Gasol - Grizz trade was and how he Spurs - Bucks trade is equivalent is Lakers' fans.

[Spursfan092120]

Does anyone see the irony in Lakers fans saying Jefferson isn't that great and the Spurs still aren't close to the Lakers out of one side of their mouth, but this is comparable to the Gasol trade out of the other?

I was just thinking the same thing.

[wisnub]

Lol.

1) Jefferson is more athlete than basketball player. Gasol has an unprecedented B-ball IQ

2) Jefferson will never make an all-star team

3) Acquiring a guy whose name seems to be permanently engraved in the All-NBA defensive 1st team and two serviceable big-men who are all in the final year of their contract hardly equals Kwame Brown and two late picks.

So basically the Spurs gave up more than the Lakers and got back less.

ahh i get it. If you love the players and they've been around for years its hard to let them go. Forget Bowen is 38 yrs old, Thomas 36 and Oberto is 34 and just recover from irregular heartbeat. I hate to say it but they are over and THEY SHOULD RETIRE IN GLORY THAN SPENDING FRUSTATING YEARS. How in the world a 38 years old guy guarding Kobe Bryant? When you talking base on fans reasons not basketball one, then i got nothing to say.
Basically Jefferson averages 22points in Nets years, and 19plus points last year not to mention shooting career high from 3 pt line. All 3 combines will never ever put that number, Bowen might get couple of stops but hes too old and hairston is getting better. I dont get how Spurs fans behave, but i guess it doesnt really matter rite? Whatever...

[daslicer]

Win or lose against the Lakers next year I will enjoy having to see Kobe actually having to play defense since he didn't have to do it this year against any of the elite. Every team in the west had one player the Kobe could play roming defense with the Jazz-Brewer, Rockets-Battier, Nuggets-Dante, Magic-Lee. With the spurs he will be forced to guard either Parker,Manu,Jefferson, and Mason. 3 out of 4 of those guys are 20 point scores on any night plus Mase is capable of getting hot.

[Allanon]

Does anyone see the irony in Lakers fans saying Jefferson isn't that great and the Spurs still aren't close to the Lakers out of one side of their mouth, but this is comparable to the Gasol trade out of the other?

I didn't say that at all. In another thread, I said the Spurs have set a date with the Lakers in the WCF with this trade.

This was an outstdanding trade for the Spurs, can't really see where they gave up anything. The Lakers would have had a great trade if they hadn't packaged Marc Gasol. By giving up Marc to the Grizz, it was a pretty fair trade as the Grizz also got a high lotto pick out of it. If that Lotto pick turns out to be the next Dwayne Wade pick at #5, the Grizzlies robbed the Lakers blind. Who knows, they might even luck it into a #1 draft pick.

[ShoogarBear]

Collussion? Hahah no collusion, just a team dumping salary and another getting a great deal. No different than the Memphis Grizzlies trade to the Lakers.

There's definitely gonna be some ammo if the hypocrisy of "collusion" ever gets brought up again

One huge difference . . .

[Gutter92]

seriously. going to be interesting hearing spurs fans try and make excuses. on the other hand cant wait for matchup #1. i doubt they play us on opening night. probably gonna be the rockets or something. maybe nuggets.

Lol. Yea, cause Richard Jefferson was Milwaukee's franchise player

[Allanon]

One huge difference . . .

Most deals in the business world are done between guys who know each other, it just makes it that much easier.

But just like in regular business, just because I know you, it doesn't mean I'm going to let you rip me off. Jerry West has always had a great eye for talent, maybe he was the one that insisted on getting Marc Gasol out of the deal.

I think most of the deals in the NBA are done between guys who know each other pretty well...it's a small fraternity.

[mytespurs]

I didn't say that at all. In another thread, I said the Spurs have set a date with the Lakers in the WCF with this trade.

This was an outstdanding trade for the Spurs, can't really see where they gave up anything. The Lakers would have had a great trade if they hadn't packaged Marc Gasol. By giving up Marc to the Grizz, it was a pretty fair trade as the Grizz also got a high lotto pick out of it. If that Lotto pick turns out to be the next Dwayne Wade pick at #5, the Grizzlies robbed the Lakers blind. Who knows, they might even luck it into a #1 draft pick.

I don't think he was referring to you. You're one of the few lakers fan here who looks at things objectively. I can respect that.

[cobbler]

Funny how you go to any neutral board like the NBA forum on Realgm and the only ones talking about how reasonable the Gasol - Grizz trade was and how he Spurs - Bucks trade is equivalent is Lakers' fans.

Kind of like Spur fan saying Gasol is a softy and that the spurs are still the better team when healthy then following it up with collusion talk and how memphis handed the championship to LA.

[cobbler]

Win or lose against the Lakers next year I will enjoy having to see Kobe actually having to play defense since he didn't have to do it this year against any of the elite. Every team in the west had one player the Kobe could play roming defense with the Jazz-Brewer, Rockets-Battier, Nuggets-Dante, Magic-Lee. With the spurs he will be forced to guard either Parker,Manu,Jefferson, and Mason. 3 out of 4 of those guys are 20 point scores on any night plus Mase is capable of getting hot.

Oh yeah... cause Kobe has proven he's such a defensive liability.

[Sdayi135]

You're good peoples Ruffn, I know.

I agree that decent bigs are rare. If the Lakers hadn't given up Marc Gasol, I can see it as being a good deal.

The Bucks got back absolutely nothing in terms of talent in this trade. The Grizz got Marc Gasol and a high lotto pick and their needed salary dump. Marc Gasol alone is worth Richard Jefferson.

Care to explain why Marc Gasol is worth Richard Jefferson?

[DrHouse]

I don't give a about this deal and don't even see why Spur fans are so joyous about it. So you added another wing player, great.

Wake me up when the Spurs actually give Tim Duncan the help he needs with something useful. At his age he needs more than just a serviceable big alongside him, those knees just ain't gonna hold up to huge regular season minutes.

[Allanon]

Care to explain why Marc Gasol is worth Richard Jefferson?

He's a good Center, much more rare than good small forwards. Richard Jefferson is better right now but by next year, I think Marc Gasol is more valuable.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

After the Lakers saw Marc Gasol play in the Olympics, they knew they had made a mistake.

Mitch Kupchak and Kobe Bryant both acknowledged they shouldn't have given up Marc Gasol. Marc Gasol was the steal of the deal, not Pau Gasol.

Oh you actually got robbed right? What an awful trade for the Lakers - it obviously made the Grizzlies so much better and the Lakers are fighting to get in the playoffs after parting with so many great assets.

I also see Laker fans have a new mantra - the Grizz got a high lottery pick because of the deal lol like they wouldn't have got it if they had dealt him to another team ( or even if he had stayed ).

RJ for Pau? Are you OK with that?

[Kamnik]

Well... I always thought that that Gasol trade was fishy and basically agreed with my fellow Spurs fans that it is wrong.

But from today on I do not think we should talk too much about it because this Jefferson trade is not all that diferent.

[xellos88330]

I still think that the Gasol trade was bull because it was in the middle of the season when it can be more difficult for teams to get things done to counter it. Off season is more of a level playing field.

[Kamnik]

I still think that the Gasol trade was bull because it was in the middle of the season when it can be more difficult for teams to get things done to counter it. Off season is more of a level playing field.

This doesn't make much sence :P