Why would anyone want to leave the Lakers?

[cobbler]

I have been a Laker fan for ages. I go to many games. I live 40 mins from Staples and a half mile from the beach. I can't think of a more ty place!

[duncan228]

You do realize how ing large Southern California is morons? We're all Laker fans.

Southern California Spurs fan here.

[mytespurs]

LA is a ty city. I would not want to live there

Don't knock it 'til you try it.

I'm originally from the east coast and I've lived in LA since '83. Good or bad, I don't regret it.

[mytespurs]

Southern California Spurs fan here.

Add my name to the list.

Southern California is a melting pot; there are fans of many teams here.

[23LeBronJames23]

Ariza probably didnt like to wear Yellow or Purple jersey in every game

[Dunc n Dave]

Then you better burn your Parker jersey.

That little Frenchman has cheated on his wife on numerous occasions.

What's your source? TMZ regarding some text messages? Please... When did Parker ever admit to an affair, or do you just know him that well, that he told you personally. You are so full of ...

The source on Kobe is straight from the horse's mouth...

[Culburn369]

The source on Kobe is straight from the horse's mouth...

Or, the other end of the horse in Faber's case.

[Rogue]

Lakers didn't have any need and space to re-sign Ariza after trapping Ron Artest, and Ron is definitely a better player over Ariza despite his bad temper and bad shot choices. Probably Ariza just intends to prove Dr Buss wrong by joining Houston, from where the Lakers got Ron Artest to replace him.

[Dunc n Dave]

Or, the other end of the horse in Faber's case.

nice one, Culburn...

that was better than your usual poetry/1940's schtick.

[cherylsteele]

Cheryl, we're all imperfect. Kobe was dangerously reckless and his imperfections were exposed to the world. We as the public were not en led to an apology for his trespasses against O'Neal...as we were not en led to hear such testimony, but, that was Colorado's shame, not ours. Daddy & Kobe seemed to have mended their rift from that particular "insult."

Maybe we don't really know the whole story and Odom just wants to leave while he can. All we can really do speculate and see how it plays out.

[cherylsteele]

LA is a ty city. I would not want to live there

I have never been there so I cannot judge, although I have lived in Ohio, Virginia, then San Antonio, I love it here.

Every city has its positives and negatives.

[johngateswhiteley]

That means we(Laker fans) have something in common with you about College Football. Didn't you say A&M was going 8-4

yeah, but i admitted it was optimistic and then said 7-5. we'll see.

[johngateswhiteley]

Those places are dumps compared to LA.

i've lived in L.A., or just outside of it, and liked it. San Antonio is a great town too...depends what you want.

[HarlemHeat37]

Again, the difference is we say we dont know for sure but we "think" she was just grabbing for the gold. You on the other hand make comments that he "is" a rapist. You cleverly change your tune from "is a rapist" to "alleged rapist", from "he raped her" to "assume he raped her" depending on your argument.

I've always said he's an "alleged" rapist, most of my posts say that..sometimes I don't use the word alleged, either because I forget, or for the fact that people already know how I feel about the situation, since I always bring it up..

this shouldn't be an issue..I've already told you how I feel about the situation..using the word "alleged" doesn't change anything, this thread proves that..

Using the word "alleged" doesn't change my argument, because I haven't changed my stance..I haven't flip-flopped once, but for some reason, Laker fans in this thread keep saying I do..my stance hasn't changed at all..sorry I don't wanna use the word "alleged" EVERY time, even though everybody already knows how I feel about the situation..

Of course, it doesn't matter what I write, because I'm a HAAAATTEEERRRRRRRRRRRR!!..

Of course being promiscuous doesnt mean she can't be raped. Please show me where that was implied. It wasnt an attack of character at all. It's the facts. Along that same line of thought you introduce, how does being a jerk teamate translate into being capable of rape?

It speaks volumes on the anger issues he has, and the lengths he goes to demonstrate that anger..as Phil Jackson himself said..Phil Jackson is obviously a haterr!..

The facts are that the womans story wasnt adding up. One min shes crying rape, the next min she bragging abut the sex. I can certainly make a case for a girl with a promiscuois background and less then stellar mental state for concocting a story for monetary gain a lot easier than i can make the leap from bad teamate to rapist.

Sure, I can see that..you also have to consider the stress and trauma she was under, which obviously could have contributed to her nervousness and inability to keep a straight story under pressure..

There are obviously a lot of people that fold under pressure, it's very common, as you would obviously know, since you're a Kobe fan, a guy that routinely choked in the Finals..

You don't know that she was bragging, the guy could have easily been paid off, considering the cir stances..

Again, nobody will know... the only difference is the people that tend to believe that she made it up dont bring it up as a FACT on nearly a daily basis. It's over....and time to move on. Your kobe hate just wont let you though will it? And every sucess he has just eats at you and you ever so sadly have to pull out the rapist BS to negate it.

I do hate Kobe, that will never change..I can never like such a disgusting human being, I don't have it in me..hater..

As I've said many times, I bring it up to negate the annoyance of Laker fans, and I bring it up to annoy them, including you..I bring it up because I can't believe he is so heavily celebrated in the media, and heavily marketed towards young kids..

There you go again, first it was raped, then it became alledgely raped, now we are back to "was vicioulsy raped"! That's a statement of fact that you yourself have said you assumed and actually have no knowldege of. The law took Kate Farbers side too thus the indictment. Her story wasnt holding up and she chose to cash out. That is on her. She most certainly could have persued the case if she was truthful and wanted vindication. She made her choice. That you cant live with it is meaningless.

I've already explained my issue with using words like "alleged"..you're reading too much into it my man..you already know my stance on the situation, the fact that I don't feel like using the word "alleged" every single time doesn't mean anything..

Yes, she could have cashed out, and probably did..I could also say that she knew she was going to lose the case due to the cir stances around her attacker, and didn't want to continue the probing of her and her family, so she obviously took the money..

Not sure what your point is here. You have implied that Kobe got off because he is a Laker and has the cash yet you use two other celebs with cash as examples to prove your point that the law can indeed garner convictions against high profile persons. The logic I was using was not to imply that Kobe never raped the girl. I have always said it was possible. It was to point out that she had a history. In other words, it's not like she was a Mother Teresa who's word would have held more weight. Facts are she chose to cash out. She chose not to persue it and the authorities saw enough holes in her story to hinder a sucessfull prosecution. Aparently Tupacs and Tyson prosecutors had more solid cases and victims(I can call them that cause the perps WERE convicted)

My example is proof that the law is biased, as everybody knows..

On one hand, you have a guy that had a squeaky clean image AT THE TIME, was arguably the most popular athlete in the NBA, and played for the most profitable and popular franchise in the NBA..

Then you have 2Pac, a black rapper that was at the center of controversy at a time where rap music was heavily criticized..he was empowering black people, and putting down white people..they were HATERZ..

Mike Tyson was considered an out of control thug that was heavily criticized by everybody around him..he was considered a danger to those around him..

these cases were all the same..my point is that all the girls involved were considered to be promiscuous, they all had holes in their stories, and they all became he-said, she-said cases..the difference could have easily been their roles in society, which was much different..

if Kobe Bryant played for the Grizzlies, there's no doubt in my mind that there would have been a different outcome..

Where have you been the last half century? Do you at all have a clue whats going on out there? How outlandish that ther should be some spanking or choking going on during a passionate sexual romp. God yes...that looks terribly worse than the several loads in her pussy from the various guys over the weekend.

It doesn't make a difference..choking a woman that claimed you raped her makes you look bad, no way around that..

Again, nobody has said it DIDNT happen. Why cant you grasp that? What I am saying is it doesn't help her credibility. It could have happend. I just as easly couldn't have. The only one in this argument who posts as if "it DID happen" is YOU! Of course followed by your ever wavering "did" and "alleged" comments. Ill tell you this, it would have helped her credibility a lot more had she chose to see it through rather than take the money and run.

I believe it happened, and I'm just giving you my reasons..all you're doing is saying that I don't know it happened for a fact, which is obvious..I just believe it did..

You brought up the morals issue with your "I actually have morals and respect, so I actually care when somebody rapes another person" statement of fact that as you have already admitted is just your assumption. Morals is a broad term. Some people feel that sex out of wedlock is immoral. Some feel that attempting suicide is immoral. Again, apparently morals only count when they are in your favor. If you want to go to the core of morals which is simply the difference between right and wrong, maybe you shouldn't be tossing out conjecture as facts

Those are my morals homie..

I can't comprehend how stupid somebody is if they consider "sex out of wedlock" to be immoral..sex is a beautiful thing that makes people feel good, and brings joy..you're giving me religious examples my friend..

Suicide is a sad thing that in most cases, can't be controlled by the person involved..it's usually caused by depression, which is a serious issue..if that's considered immoral, then that's ridiculous..

Rape and everything else Kobe did is clearly much, much different..not comparable at all..

I beg to differ. Both Kidd and Iverson have been arrested on multiple occasions for criminal behaviour and you dont hear them everyday. I'd be willing to bet i could look up your posts in threads regarding them and find very little comments like you made about Kobe today and that was my point. It's ridiculous the degree the haters go. You couldnt even post to an thread on why contract negotions with the Lakers have been bersome without throwing out the Kobe is a rapist comment. Kobe has the one incident. Oh, thats right, I'm forgetting that arguments with teamates over basketball issues directly translate into criminal behavour. Silly of me to think multiple physical battery and firearms incidents are equally relevant.

As I've said, the popularity is the main issue..

nobody brings up Iverson or Kidd in a positive light here often, I have no reason to mention them..

When there's a thread about the Lakers, it clearly involves Kobe..Laker threads are always around, especially with idiots like House running their mouths, so clearly it makes sense..

Apparently you think I should randomly make threads about Iverson and Kidd's history LOL..that's the only way it's fair to Kobe, or else I'm a HAAAATTEEEERRRRR!!..

Again, believing he did it and stating it as fact are completely different. Someday you will grasp it.

I believe it's a fact..I looked at the facts, I looked at the cir stances involved, and I looked at the character of Mr.Bryant, and I made a decision based on all of that..beliefs are beliefs, you don't have to know for a fact..ask religious people..

Yet she didnt persue it... and in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. But you are a loser who doesn't vote anyway so you really have no say on how the country is run.

Yes, I'm a loser because I don't participate in mindless elections..

[HarlemHeat37]

So basically..

every argument you've had so far is basically telling me that I don't know for a fact, which I've already admitted from the beginning..

you've admitted that you don't know for a fact that he didn't rape her, which is pretty much the exact same thing I believe, except you're on the other side of the argument..

you're putting words in my mouth, and looked for arguments out of nothing, like using the word "alleged" LOL..

you keep using the Laker fans #1 argument when they have nothing, which is: "you're a hateeeerrrr man! hater!!!"..

..and yes, I did use bold and laughs to prop up my argument..

[Cry Havoc]

I've always said he's an "alleged" rapist, most of my posts say that..sometimes I don't use the word alleged, either because I forget, or for the fact that people already know how I feel about the situation, since I always bring it up..

this shouldn't be an issue..I've already told you how I feel about the situation..using the word "alleged" doesn't change anything, this thread proves that..

Using the word "alleged" doesn't change my argument, because I haven't changed my stance..I haven't flip-flopped once, but for some reason, Laker fans in this thread keep saying I do..my stance hasn't changed at all..sorry I don't wanna use the word "alleged" EVERY time, even though everybody already knows how I feel about the situation..

Of course, it doesn't matter what I write, because I'm a HAAAATTEEERRRRRRRRRRRR!!..



It speaks volumes on the anger issues he has, and the lengths he goes to demonstrate that anger..as Phil Jackson himself said..Phil Jackson is obviously a haterr!..



Sure, I can see that..you also have to consider the stress and trauma she was under, which obviously could have contributed to her nervousness and inability to keep a straight story under pressure..

There are obviously a lot of people that fold under pressure, it's very common, as you would obviously know, since you're a Kobe fan, a guy that routinely choked in the Finals..

You don't know that she was bragging, the guy could have easily been paid off, considering the cir stances..



I do hate Kobe, that will never change..I can never like such a disgusting human being, I don't have it in me..hater..

As I've said many times, I bring it up to negate the annoyance of Laker fans, and I bring it up to annoy them, including you..I bring it up because I can't believe he is so heavily celebrated in the media, and heavily marketed towards young kids..



I've already explained my issue with using words like "alleged"..you're reading too much into it my man..you already know my stance on the situation, the fact that I don't feel like using the word "alleged" every single time doesn't mean anything..

Yes, she could have cashed out, and probably did..I could also say that she knew she was going to lose the case due to the cir stances around her attacker, and didn't want to continue the probing of her and her family, so she obviously took the money..



My example is proof that the law is biased, as everybody knows..

On one hand, you have a guy that had a squeaky clean image AT THE TIME, was arguably the most popular athlete in the NBA, and played for the most profitable and popular franchise in the NBA..

Then you have 2Pac, a black rapper that was at the center of controversy at a time where rap music was heavily criticized..he was empowering black people, and putting down white people..they were HATERZ..

Mike Tyson was considered an out of control thug that was heavily criticized by everybody around him..he was considered a danger to those around him..

these cases were all the same..my point is that all the girls involved were considered to be promiscuous, they all had holes in their stories, and they all became he-said, she-said cases..the difference could have easily been their roles in society, which was much different..

if Kobe Bryant played for the Grizzlies, there's no doubt in my mind that there would have been a different outcome..



It doesn't make a difference..choking a woman that claimed you raped her makes you look bad, no way around that..



I believe it happened, and I'm just giving you my reasons..all you're doing is saying that I don't know it happened for a fact, which is obvious..I just believe it did..




Those are my morals homie..

I can't comprehend how stupid somebody is if they consider "sex out of wedlock" to be immoral..sex is a beautiful thing that makes people feel good, and brings joy..you're giving me religious examples my friend..

Suicide is a sad thing that in most cases, can't be controlled by the person involved..it's usually caused by depression, which is a serious issue..if that's considered immoral, then that's ridiculous..

Rape and everything else Kobe did is clearly much, much different..not comparable at all..



As I've said, the popularity is the main issue..

nobody brings up Iverson or Kidd in a positive light here often, I have no reason to mention them..

When there's a thread about the Lakers, it clearly involves Kobe..Laker threads are always around, especially with idiots like House running their mouths, so clearly it makes sense..

Apparently you think I should randomly make threads about Iverson and Kidd's history LOL..that's the only way it's fair to Kobe, or else I'm a HAAAATTEEEERRRRR!!..



I believe it's a fact..I looked at the facts, I looked at the cir stances involved, and I looked at the character of Mr.Bryant, and I made a decision based on all of that..beliefs are beliefs, you don't have to know for a fact..ask religious people..




Yes, I'm a loser because I don't participate in mindless elections..

Way to completely destroy a thread. Ugh. Congrats on that.

[HarlemHeat37]

LA is a pretty nice city, I'll admit..San Diego was also one of the nicer places that I've ever been..

I've never been to SA, probably won't ever go..too much of a hassle..

[cobbler]

So basically..

every argument you've had so far is basically telling me that I don't know for a fact, which I've already admitted from the beginning..

you've admitted that you don't know for a fact that he didn't rape her, which is pretty much the exact same thing I believe, except you're on the other side of the argument..

you're putting words in my mouth, and looked for arguments out of nothing, like using the word "alleged" LOL..

you keep using the Laker fans #1 argument when they have nothing, which is: "you're a hateeeerrrr man! hater!!!"..

..and yes, I did use bold and laughs to prop up my argument..

The bottom line is you thow your rapist crap out there in threads talking about basketball topics. You state them as they are factual even though you admit they are not. You have no input other than to toss out the rape card if there is anything or anyone Laker-wise involved and you demean their fans for having an opinion on a topic you freely admit you have no proof on.

I am not using an argument because I have nothing. I have shown numerous times where you contradict yourself. The argument only proves that your hatred is the obvious reason that you make your biased comments that are completely irrelevent to the topic in the thread.

I've wasted enough time with you today...

Have a great night

[cherylsteele]

You can find nice communites pretty much everywhere, as long as you have the money. When I say dumps, I mean there is not much to do, as far as night life. Ohio is just a sad boring place with bad weather. Virginia has some nice spots, but once again, the weather is bad.

If you are a roller coaster enthusiast then Ohio is the place for you, Cedar Point is roller coaster capital of the world.
If you are a boating enthusiast then you have Lake Erie. Weather wise I did not care for it, I hate cold weather.
Virginia has beautiful countryside, especially the Blue Ridge Mtns. My family would go sailing on Smith Mtn Lake, and the Chesapeake Bay. If you liked to ski (not me) then Virginia was a good place.

Night life maybe was not so good, but there are other things in life besides night life.

I have lived in San Antonio for the past 29 yrs.

[johngateswhiteley]

People talk about the smog in LA as if you cant even breathe. The weather is unmatched, and there is everything to do, no matter what you like, its in LA.

San Diego has better weather. the smog in L.A. isn't as bad as people make it out to be...but it does suck. there is plenty to do in San Antonio/Austin.

[TheMACHINE]

To be honest, I don't think Kobe raped her at all...I know he had sex with her though, and cheated on his wife...and in my eyes, that's wrong enough. I'm sure there are others that do it, but that doesn't make Kobe any better of a person in my eyes. The guy is the best player in the NBA, but if I had a kid, I wouldn't let him wear a Kobe jersey...I believe in God, and read the bible, and thou shalt not commit adultery is important in my eyes.

Did you lose your virginity after you got married?

[NBAfan83]

The bottom line is you thow your rapist crap out there in threads talking about basketball topics. You state them as they are factual even though you admit they are not. You have no input other than to toss out the rape card if there is anything or anyone Laker-wise involved and you demean their fans for having an opinion on a topic you freely admit you have no proof on.

I am not using an argument because I have nothing. I have shown numerous times where you contradict yourself. The argument only proves that your hatred is the obvious reason that you make your biased comments that are completely irrelevent to the topic in the thread.

I've wasted enough time with you today...

Have a great night

You quote him as being a hater and all, but you are on the opposite end of the spectrum though, your an apologist. The fact of the matter is, nobody knows what happened in that room, but you have to understand where apologist will almost always find a reason to apologize for kobe's behavior, the haters will always find a way to disprove him.

You are right, that kobe's off court antics shouldn't affect his bball skills, just like how you hate it when people downplay La's dominance by calling kobe a rapist, BUT, i'm sure you and your fellow apologist, when comapring Kobe and MJ, will start attacking MJ's character and off court antics as well. How many threads on laker grounds or elsewhere state, well Kobe never punched his teammate, or Kobe isn't as big an a-hole/trash talker as MJ, and etc... etc... etc...

the thing is it's very hypocritical to hate people to bring up kobe being a rapist on every thread, but it's also unfair for laker fans and etc... to diss MJ for his on and off court antics as well.

or another example, how many people were crucifying j-kidd for his wife-beating tendency, saying he was a scrub and etc... OR how many people were saying LBJ never gonna win a le, because of his behavior off the court, I mean it's ridiculous people, specially laker fans saying LBJ won't win cuz he's a loser of the court and has a bad at ude when they have KObe on their team.

Just saying, it's appears to me you guys are both hypocrites and nobody wins in your argument.

[jacobdrj]

1) High Taxes.

2) Lifestyle

3) Weather

[Kobe™]

Weather?
Wtf

[DrHouse]

The weather in California is unmatched in the United States.