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    Well seeing as how globalization is the rage in the business world, eventually the sport of basketball may become completely global where FIBA and the NBA merge. Then won't that make everyone happy? No more having to worry about international play because there would only be one league, the GBA , Global Basketball Association.
    FIBA cannot merge to the NBA. FIBA controls all basketball worldwide including NBA.

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    aren't these just friendlies? Doesn't he have to play in the idiotic three team tournament cause his team sucked ass last year. Are the spurs stopping him from playing in the tourney or the friendlies?
    The Italy game is not a friendly.

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    most played does not equal greatest.

    the reason futbol/soccer is so popular in most of the world is because of how easy and cheap it is for kids in poor countries to set up a game. all it takes is 4 objects to represent the goals and a round ball of some sort, and bam! the kids are playing soccer in the streets, growing up with soccer, and becoming fans of soccer.

    the other, superior sports like Football, Basketball, and maybe Baseball, require much more specific equipment that make them cost-prohibitive for much of the world.

    also tradition keeps soccer popular, you play and become a fan of what your father and grandfather played and were fans of.

    American Football is so much more complex, each game so different from another, each coach's strategy so different, each team ... there is almost an infinite number of ways you could approach winning the game of Football when starting from scratch... but I'm getting a little off topic here

    American Football = Chess
    Futbol/Soccer = Checkers
    this is so off topic from what the thread started with.. but seriously? soccer isn't complex?

    soccer is the epitome of strategy.. that's the only way to score

    you've obviously never been around or played soccer.. and if you have you were very ignorant of the game

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    Playing in the NBA is a job.
    Playing for your national team is a great honor.

    The greater stage for a european player is to be World Champion or Gold Medal in the Olympics.
    And i think it's the same for American players. See the Dream Team with Jordan, Magic, Bird... And other teams like last year.

    IF Parker had a bad injury he wouldn't play.

    Parker is not my hero, i am a fan of the game of basketball : NBA, Euroleague and international compe ions.

    For me international compe ions are the most intense to watch.
    My greatest sport fan memories are when French football team became the World Champion in 1998.

    Do you really want a futur without National Teams ?
    I'm not exactly sure why you bothered to post after the first line.

    Be there, be healthy. It's your paycheck hence your first obligation.

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    I dont mind NBA players going to play international ball, the problem I have is strictly with the French NT. They flat out lied last time about Tony's injury. Thats bull and what the Spurs did in bringing Tony back is the consequences France has to pay for taking advantage of the Spurs trust in the France medical staff.

    We will never know if the French team would or would not have played Tony in the next game despite the injury and to me thats a good thing. They did it before, who's to say they wouldnt do it again? The ride back simply prevented any mishandling of the injury from the national team. Either way, France said that Tony wouldnt likely play the next game anyway, so whats the problem?

    Like it or not France fans, your team ed up the last time. Hopefully this overblown incident will help build back some of the trust the Spurs had in the France medical team.

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    FIBA cannot merge to the NBA. FIBA controls all basketball worldwide including NBA.
    FIBA has no power over the NBA except what the NBA allows.

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    wow, just wow



    ignorance displayed at its finest

    Ignorance? He's obviously seen the games, and these are his observations/opinions. Personally, I find soccer to be a bore as well. I can't stand any low-scoring game that involves goalies and continuous action (if you can even call it that). Ignorance would be making a blanket statement without ever having seen a soccer game.

    injuries suck regardless of where they happen. now the cir stances obviously matter, (ie, playing against a doctors recommendation), but as far as we know that hasnt happened (its possible, but I dont like to clench my ass just in case someone decides to kick me).

    as for the its a business argument, like Brazil just said, Tony and every single NBA player has guarantees in their contracts that allow them to play in international compe ion. if you dont like that, write the players union and the owners or root for another sport that doesnt have international compe ion (like american football). But dont tell Tony what his contract says, he knows much better than you.

    I think if Holt or whoever in the Spurs org requested Tony come back and Tony willingly came back (even if he considered it silly), that shows a good relationship between them. And though it would suck for Tony if he misses his FNT game unnecessarily, it doesnt automatically mean france is screwed, and that hasnt happened (yet at least). Again, I dont understand why people preemptively cry about spilled milk before it is spilled. There is still the possibility that tony can fulfill both his spurs goals and his FNT goals, and nothing to indicate animosity between tony and the spurs. but if bashing soccer or the owner of the franchise or french socialism makes people feel better, go ahead.
    Eh I kinda agree. It's the NBA club's fault for taking a known risk

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    FIBA cannot merge to the NBA. FIBA controls all basketball worldwide including NBA.


    I'm sure FIBA will be telling NBA to go to 40 minute games and the trapezoid lane any time now.

    (What's that you say? Oh! It's FIBA going to the rectangular lane to be more like the NBA?)
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    NBA players play in unsanctioned leagues, rec center pickup games, at UCLA, and a mul ude of other places in the summer, outside of their NBA team practice facility.
    I think the difference is that if a guy gets banged up in a pick-up game at UCLA, there is not a national organization trying to pressure him to keep playing on the injury based on an idea of national pride or obligation to one's country. We know how cautious the Spurs are about playing their own injured players, so at least they are consistent.
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    EricB doesn't like me.
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    2008 Olympics basketball final had 1 billion viewers. That is what they said in TV.
    It wouldn't be anything amazing if you had used one second thinking about where the Olympics were held last year. It always happens that people get tired of the TV programs and have a walk outside of their homes while leaving their TVs working still. Presumably about 8-9 hundred millions of the 1 billion viewers were the walls and couches of their homes, or some dogs and cats if the Olympic games could draw some interest from those animals.

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    FIBA cannot merge to the NBA. FIBA controls all basketball worldwide including NBA.
    I would like to see NBA being controlled by a superior organization which could force some strict laws on NBA against manipulations of games. but the sad news is NBA doesn't give a crap about the rest world of basketball, for the 30 teams and 450 contracted NBA players, NBA is just their whole world and colonial Stern is the only God.

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    The sad part of these on-line forums is you really get to see the many ways people don't care about each other. Spurs fans want Tony Parker healthy because of team pride. French Nationals want Tony to risk everything for a feeling of national pride. All are legitimate forms of personal interest. The world is a "what can you do for me" place. People don't care about Tony. At least Tony gets to hide his aloneness with a beautiful wife and tons of money. Everyone is alone at the end of the day.

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    Everyone is alone at the end of the day.
    Speak for yourself, Quasimodo. I share my life with a magnificent wife and I go to bed far from alone at the end of the day.

    But seriously, I don't think very many Tony Parker fans want to see him play on an injured ankle and risk further damage.
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    I think he means we are all alone, at the end of the day, in the existential sense. But perhaps the thread might digress?

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    I think he means we are all alone, at the end of the day, in the existential sense. But perhaps the thread might digress?
    Yeah, I know. Salvatore Quasimodo, the Nobel Prize-winning existential writer/poet, was who I was referencing - life is inherently sad. That isn't exactly my motto.

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    Yeah, I know. Salvatore Quasimodo, the Nobel Prize-winning existential writer/poet, was who I was referencing - life is inherently sad. That isn't exactly my motto.
    I prefer the utilitarian martyr complex route, myself.

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    Imagine your boss calling you while you're hugging your wife, talking about how marvelous your saturday night is. Imagine your boss hurrying you to join him at the other side of the earth... while you planed a perfect wedding proposal. Your boss wants you to be in shape at 6 monday morning. He knows you're taking some rest in a paradisiac island, he thinks he pays you enough to command you. He's worried about your unusual week-end. He does'nt care what you're doing, how mutch is important is these two days for you, he's just obsessed with his own job.

    Your boss had no legal right to do it. You can tell him to go to . You will be fresh, happy and perhaps a little tired, monday morning. And so what? The boss pays your hours at work. What you're doing in your resting time, it's not his business. He could be mad if your plane is postponed. But he can't call you because he saw in the news a hurricane forecast. Nothing is sure. You asked to the local weather forecasts, and they said it will be ok for your plane... You do whatever you want! The boss pays a work, he doesn't pay for your ass.

    It's understandable if his wife died in a similar situation but he overreacts. It doesn't matter how much he pays, it does'nt matter why, he can't do that. This boss seems to be in love. He seems jalous. He can't imagine his employee married to another person. He wants him for himself. He is desperate houseboss, and HE groaned, HE cryed, HE complained, for NOTHING.

    And now? Marianne, your fiancee doesn't want you anymore. And she wants to kill herself, she wants to jump in the Seine, she's getting mad, she's crying, she's ugly, she wanted to go to Poland but you wasn't there to BUY THE TICKET! Then Marianne understands that she'll never go to the olympics! "what kind of woman am I if I can't see the flame!" Marianne thinks she's nothing else than a pussy: you doesn't want to be seen with her, you are not proud of your beautiful Marianne. And she says "I want you to introduce myself to all your teamates, now. And your boss. He thinks your girl doesn't worth?! We will prove him that an employee happy with his girl his a better employee."

    I'd rather a player maried with his NT than his motocycle or his idleness... Some getting hurt trying to fix a shelf. Some getting fat watching all the desperate housewifes saison like a couch potato. Others play for their pleasure in a camp (without stretching). And others play for their national team. Especially, when it's crucial. It is the french "road to redemption". Everyone has his own. Even the pussies.

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    Little can be done to prevent players from playing with their national teams (Nor should it IMO). But the financial arguments can't be ignored.

    The best solution IMO opinion is to require insurance policies for foreign play as part of a player's NBA contract. The policy can be based on a sliding scale of anticipated minutes played for a national team per year. As a player's national team commitments increase (including practices, etc.), so does the percentage of the policy they have to pay for that year.

    While this does little to replace the on-court value of an injured player (i.e., Manu last year), at the very least it provides teams with some financial relief.

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    even if you're a French Tony Parker Fan, wouldn't you rather see him win the NBA championship than the NT?
    the NBA is the greater stage, wouldn't you want your hero to win on the greater stage?
    I can understand that the NBA is the great stage of basketball but is not the bigest stage of the world. You have more chances of win every year, but the NT have 1 or 2 chances in life and no more.

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