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People get too hung up on positions. I agree with Jam on certain points. Who cares what le you give someone, how do they play?
I agree that Tim has been a C for a while, but I also agree with the logic that he should be listed at PF if Gasol is listed at PF..the Lakers start Bynum, but he's missed most of the last 2 years, and Odom-Gasol was the main frontcourt when it mattered..
People get too hung up on positions. I agree with Jam on certain points. Who cares what le you give someone, how do they play?
Last edited by DPG21920; 09-30-2009 at 09:44 PM.
Gasol started as center for the Grizz while he was there. And he's played more games as the Lakers center than he has as their PF. He hasn't played PF enough to be considered a PF in this decade. Your argument is mute because if Dwyer believes that Duncan is a center, then by his logic Gasol is a center because he started at center for 7 years with the Grizz.No because the Spurs start Duncan and Bonner (or now mcdyess) while the Lakers start Pau and Bynum.
Bynum is more of a Center than anyone the spurs have started there in years.
You guys are just too attached to calling Duncan "the best pf ever"
So Rasho and Nazr were PFs then?
After reading most of this thread I would say in the end it doesn't really matter whether a few people want to call Duncan a C even though he has always been listed as a PF. Like several pointed out, Dirk plays like a SF. Gasol is more of a C. In the Spurs system there are usually (hopefully) 2 bigs on the court, and it doesn't really matter whether they are C's or PF's.
But ultimately if a player plays for years and is listed as a certain position, that is there position. What is really the difference between a SG and SF anyway? Often the SF's just exaggerate their height by a couple more inches and claim to be 6'6".
When all is said and done, Duncan will be remembered as one of the top 10 best ever...regardless of position.
Holy Mother of God. I'm so pissed right now I'm gonna kick Dwyer's ass if I see him
She is probably categorizing him as a center (wrongly)WTF????
You can NOT leave Tim out of this list! He IS the best PF EVER!
Kelly Dwyer is an idiotic, imbecilic, moronic, ignoramus!
Every point Nathan Explosion made on this thread = win.
Laker fans and other haters are just clinging on for dear life to discount Ducan and the Spurs greatness even though its a meaningless le. That should tell you something about the haters.
i think the writer is a Kevin Garnett homer so he try to find a way to put KG first.
either ot writer is downplaying duncans accomplishments or switching him to C, so he/she can put KG the best pf to play the game....i see it all the time, dont around with mind games...whether duncan is a c or pf, his still in the top10 goat list
since nazr, rasho, oberto, elson and robinson are all considered traditional centers, duncan is a power forward. the two positions are practically interchangeable. i usually think of the PF as the scoring big man while the center compliments the PF by getting rebounds and putbacks. the only exception to this over the last decade is shaq, yao, and howard. think the mavs, celtics, raptors, lakers, jazz, hornets, and the blazers. all their primary scoring bigmen are power forwards. duncan pretty much does it all on the spurs so he can be PF if he wants to or C if he wants to. it's ridiculous to call him a center when he obviously wants to be called a power forward.
The le should have been "Top 10 players of the last decade who played PF in his most recent game".
Despite Duncan not being on the list, it's horrible. Leaving out Tim and maybe including him in the Center list would be quite ok, but why the is Marion on the list then? He's a SF/PF and he ranks above way better players in the past decade.
What she meant to say is the best PF not named Tim Duncan because we all know his greatness is beyond any arbitrary top ten list.
Duncan was a PF until the 2007 season, and even that is debatable. 2007-2008, 2008-2009 seasons I'll agree that he played center.
1999-2003 Robinson C, Duncan PF.
2004-2007 Rasho/Nazr/Elson/Oberto (split time with Elson) C Duncan PF.
2008-2009 Duncan C Oberto/Bonner/Thomas PF
Cry babies
Obviously if he was on the list he would be #1
He's been a center for the last 3 years. It's a joke to try and pass Matt Bonner off as your center.
Just like the mavs try to pass Dirk as a PF when he runs around like a SF.
Fair enough, but the other 7 years he was playing PF. And he did more in those 7 years than anyone on that list did in 10.
Here let me show it to you in terms you will understand:
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You see that, the left side has more trophies than the right side. That means the left side is greater than the right side. The same simple equation fits Duncan playing PF/C. 7 years of PF > 3 years of C.
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