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Well, you managed to stay away for 13 hours.Well, like the child you are, I will let you have the last word. Clearly, with a post count like yours, it means a lot more to you.
Other than giving up a 20 something player for a 30 something player, the main reason I wanted to keep Hill was this: Devin Harris.
Not many people considered Harris a starter and he's arguably a Top 10 PG in this league. Hill has the potential (athletic, defense, ability to get to the rim, and long arms that make him bigger than his height, like DeJuan Blair) to do the same things. I didn't want to give up on Hill.
Now, way back in the thread, someone claimed I'd rather have Carter than Jefferson. This is true and it isn't. If the Spurs had one season to play, I'd throw in Hill, Mason and whatever was needed outside of Parker, Duncan and Gino to do the deal. With Carter, the Spurs offense would be nearly unstoppable.
However, I love Jefferson's youth and talent a lot. Carter will be 33 (I think) come playoff time while Jefferson is 29 right now. Oh, and Jefferson has a better deal. I'm not saying that Carter will be a ball hog with the Spurs, but I think Jefferson is a better fit for the next few years.
Anyway, my OP wasn't meant to say that I didn't want Jefferson, it was just to say that I was watching Orlando play and Vince was amazing in the game.
Now, as for Beno vs Hill, Beno was a better pure shooter and passer, but we can't forget how Lindsey Hunter destroyed Beno in the 2005 playoffs. I remember reading after that, Pop decided that if Parker wasn't in the game to bring the ball up, the next person to handle it was the guy Lindsey Hunter wasn't guarding, which was mostly Gino.
I rooted for Beno and wanted him to succeed. However, since the 05 Finals, Beno wasn't the same player. Hill seems to thrive when pressed into action in big situations. , 10 games into his rookie season he was starting and doing quite an admirable job at the time. When he finally broke into the playoffs, his defense and athleticism sparked the Spurs and probably would have helped them win some games had he broke into the rotation earlier.
I think Hill has what it takes to make the transition to PG. He will never be a true PG and a great, great passer in this league, but I think he can be more than good enough for what the Spurs ask their PGs to do, ie, handle the rock, start the offense, and score in bunches if needed.
Well, you managed to stay away for 13 hours.Well, like the child you are, I will let you have the last word. Clearly, with a post count like yours, it means a lot more to you.
Now that's not childish at allWell, you managed to remove yourself from my sack for half a day.
Spurstrodamus please inform me and the Spurstalk world why it is so vital for a backup PG on the Spurs to have Superman like ray vision on the basketball court?
The players who are responsible in having that responsibility are Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili and perhaps now Richard Jefferson as they create opportunities for others. The offense will never be evolved around George Hill or a back up point guard. Much less on any other team as all NBA teams put the ball in their best offensive players' hands and let them make decisions and create opportunities for the other players instead of the the average BACK UP point guard.
Point guard's are misunderstood. Everyone wants to compare point guards to the select handful that have been the " prototypical point guard" which have an uncanny vision awareness, ball handling ability and passing ability wrapped up in one to execute from any scenario on the court. Fact is there has only been a handful of the type of players that have this uncanny vision and execution you are talking about that have played the past 20 years. * Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, John Stockton, Mark Jackson, Ervin Johnson, Chris Paul for example.
George Hill's responsibily is to set up the offense, play great defense, and hit the open shot when necessary or be able to put the ball on the floor and get to the line whenever the Spurs play superior teams defensively that are on time on their rotations and sometimes overcommit or leave their feet when they run out on him.
The assists for George Hill won't ever be great because for the fact that he plays with Tim, Tony and Manu who always have the ball. It's hard to rack up the assists stat when you play with three all-stars who have the ball most of the time. Although if Manu continues to struggle I can see Hill sharing the pick and roll opportunities with Manu when they both close out the 1st quarter and start the 2nd. Same for the 3rd and 4th. Something he has improved on greatly since last year. ( Pick and roll offense).
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 10-25-2009 at 07:15 AM.
You sure do misstype a lot.Yes, and saying he'd rather have Carter than Jefferson.
Oooh, pointing out spelling mistakes. Really grasping at straws there, aren't ya?
If you're not going to claim MIStyping for the other posts, then you either flat-out lied or were just too ignorant. Either way, it works for me.
Beno had a hard time in the Finals. The thing is, he never seem to recover with the Spurs. He had a good year when he got to the Kings, be regressed noticably since. There's more evidence that Beno is nothing more than a backup than just the example I used.
Again, I rooted for Beno to succeed. It didn't happen though.
Beno's problem wasn't lack of skill, it was lack of work ethic. Every summer for three years, he did nothing, showed up in camp fat and out of shape, and not surprisingly was injured. I think that. rather than a few turnovers in the Finals, sealed his fate, and punched his ticket out of SA.
Ah, not surprising. Scratch a Beno or Bob Hill fanatic, reveal a Pop hater. Do you people have meetings and a website?
I won't waste any more of your time or my own.
I think you'd find that he has said as much, publicly, regarding the bolded passage in your post.
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