nba commentator refers to yi jianlian as "the chinaman"

[lefty]

Does that mean Duncan and Bell are virginmen?

[Allanon]

Does that mean Duncan and Bell are virginmen?

[Indazone]

Perhaps naming a country in front of the man is only acceptable from Western European countries.

You don't hear anyone calling anyone a Czechman, Hungarianman, Russianman, or Yugslavman. No it's only the Western European countries it's deemed acceptable. Everywhere else it's an insult.

Western Euro Countries
Dutchman - ok this isn't even correct because it should be Hollandman
Englishman
Frenchman
Germanman - I guess since they have the man tacked onto the Ger, they shortned it.
Italianman - ugh no
Swedishman - not really
Norwegianman - no
Lichtensteinman - uhhhh no
Danishman - who says this???
Polishman - again no
Spanishman - lol


So really, the only places it's politically correct to stick a country in front of the word man is France, England, Holland. I sense a conspiracy here from the former Western Colonial powers.

[Agloco]

It's different when it's in the first person or 3rd person.

You don't walk up to a black man and say "Hi Black man".

But when you describe somebody it's different. Tony Parker is a a French man. Yi is a China man. He's a black man.

Fail. In keeping with the convention you used to describe Tony above:

Yi is a CHINESE man.

china-man is what got this whole ball of wax rolling in the first place.

[Indazone]

The politically correct term is Asian

[Agloco]

The politically correct term is Asian

Yeah, I quickly found myself in no mans land when I let "oriental" slip out once. Freudian slip as I was thinking about a rug I had recently purchased, but no less akward.

[BlackBellamy]

The politically correct term is Asian

It seems so vague to refer to an ethnicity as Asian when Indians, Pakistanis and much of the middle east are Asian too.

[JJ Hickson]

I really can't believe how outright racist this forum is. Being so utterly obtuse is a racist act. Holy , I had no idea that some of you seemingly normal people were a step away from a Klan membership.

The white guy from Utah telling black and hispanic people that they are one step away from the KKK. C'mon guys you should really be listening to him on subjects like these. Bali knows all about other races because he read about them in a book once.

[Allanon]

Fail. In keeping with the convention you used to describe Tony above:

Yi is a CHINESE man.

china-man is what got this whole ball of wax rolling in the first place.

So if you say Tony Parker is a FRANCE man, is that derogatory? Or that Luol Deng is an England man?

Is that a problem?

[024]

So if you say Tony Parker is a FRANCE man, is that derogatory? Or that Luol Deng is an England man?

Is that a problem?

it's not derogatory to use those two terms because there's no history behind it. no one ever used france man or england man as an insult. but as someone posted earlier, chinaman was used to put down chinese people. also, the outrage isn't that big. the poster of the blog just wanted to remind people that chinaman was used as a derogatory term and shouldn't be repeated.

like i said before, if the commentator instead said "nice dunk by the negro" after a dwight howard slam, it would be much much bigger news and i can almost guarantee the commentator would be fired.

[Allanon]

it's not derogatory to use those two terms because there's no history behind it. no one ever used france man or england man as an insult. but as someone posted earlier, chinaman was used to put down chinese people. also, the outrage isn't that big. the poster of the blog just wanted to remind people that chinaman was used as a derogatory term and shouldn't be repeated.

like i said before, if the commentator instead said "nice dunk by the negro" after a dwight howard slam, it would be much much bigger news and i can almost guarantee the commentator would be fired.

I can understand that.

My point is it's only bad due to the historical implications.

Are we not far enough removed to move beyond something that happened 200 years ago and is no longer relevant today?

By raising attention to past racial issues, we are perpetuating their existence.

I don't agree with the pussy-footing around Blacks/Negros either. And I'm black, it's time to move on.

[lefty]

What about Donna Chen, the Chinese woman?

[Allanon]

What about Donna Chen, the Chinese woman?

Your'e a f*ckin' racist Lefty.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

Polishman

Or

?

[JamStone]

It seems so vague to refer to an ethnicity as Asian when Indians, Pakistanis and much of the middle east are Asian too.

No less vague than calling someone from the United States an American when technically people from countries in South "America" and Central "America" are also American.

[DJB]

he's chinese and a man
I don't get it

[Fpoonsie]

Come now, is Irishman off limits too? That term used to have negative implication when used by specific groups as well. I'm all for racial harmony, if some guy wants to call me a Jew rather than Jewish, I don't fly off. Think we all need to grow a thicker skin towards slight racial slips when you know the offense wasn't intentional.

[Obstructed_View]

Fast forward to the day that you can't call people "Mexican" because it's been used so long in a negative and hateful fashion.

[lefty]

Your'e a f*ckin' racist Lefty.

What?

That's ririculous

[Indazone]

I suppose under this context Jewboy is ok then. Are you not male and boyish and also a Jew?

[Agloco]

So if you say Tony Parker is a FRANCE man, is that derogatory? Or that Luol Deng is an England man?

Is that a problem?

You're missing the boat here. If Tony or Luol objected to the use of said term, then guess what? As much as you want to, you simply cannot dictate to others what they should and should not find offensive. Once you become aware that it's an issue, all you're left with is deciding whether or not your need to exercise your freedom of speech overrides your need for common decency.

[Allanon]

You're missing the boat here. If Tony or Luol objected to the use of said term, then guess what? As much as you want to, you simply cannot dictate to others what they should and should not find offensive. Once you become aware that it's an issue, all you're left with is deciding whether or not your need to exercise your freedom of speech overrides your need for common decency.

You didn't answer the question. You've made the point that it's because it's "china" that is the problem.

I said it's because of the historical implications that makes it unacceptable and you said "Fail."

So please tell me, would calling Tony Parker a "France man" be offensive?

Fail. In keeping with the convention you used to describe Tony above:

Yi is a CHINESE man.

china-man is what got this whole ball of wax rolling in the first place.

[JJ Hickson]

No less vague than calling someone from the United States an American when technically people from countries in South "America" and Central "America" are also American.

There are over 3 billion people living in various Asian countries, so I'm pretty sure it's more vague.

[BlackBellamy]

I suppose under this context Jewboy is ok then. Are you not male and boyish and also a Jew?

You're kinda reaching there. Would "black-boy" be OK to use when referring to a full grown black man?

[EmptyMan]

awww PC groupthinker is butthurt.