True words..Gay marriage is just the cause du jour of the american left, once their transient moral outrage losses it's sound bite attention span, or a group with deeper pockets comes along ,willing to donate to the DNC. Gay marriage will be put on the back burner.
Gay activists don't want civil unions, they want "marriage" they're not interested in all the rights extended to them that married couples have, and which most straight people are more than happy to extend. What they want is to have sexual unions elevated to the same cultural, and social plane as marriage, to co-opt the ins ution, so they don't have to feel like deviates in the eyes of society.
Are there some really that dumb, that the think a change in status by law and word will change what people think of them?
It's not dumb, it's a step toward a cultural legitamicy, they don't have now. Once you destory a cultures ins utions the void is filled by the state.
Not everyone believes culture is based on who you , micca.
Yes well what you and chimp do is of no concern, but marriage is a little bit more than "who you "
What's funny is how people strive and strive to repress other people they don't even know for no other reason than to beat down the cognitive dissonance in their own head about their worldview.
What's funny is how people will be so hateful to maintain their illusion of what love and compassion are supposed to be.
Just put aside the facade and embrace the animal within.
Granted, but culture includes much besides marriage, and you haven't even begun to make the case that gay marriage is deleterious to the ins ution per se, much less to the broader culture.
Look, the only reason there is any hubbub about gay marriage is because of the religions that say sexuality is a sin. All this stuff about how anthropological structures of families, blah blah blah, is totally based upon the worldviews of those religions.
The biggest fear people have is that gay marriage will get implemented and it won't be a big deal at all. It won't make any difference. Life in America will just go on, and they'll have to come up with some other construct to convince themselves that their religious worldview makes any difference whatsoever and their life has any meaning.
I'm sure gay people are used to being marginalized and mistreated by individuals, but when you're a citizen and tax-payer and the state does the same to you?
believe me a rich gay man is mistrested and marginalized far less than any poor man in america.I'm sure gay people are used to being marginalized and mistreated by individuals, but when you're a citizen and tax-payer and the state does the same to you?
Personally I'd think most gay people would be somewhat insulted that their unions would somehow have to ape the traditions of straight people, and not reflect their unique place in the cosmos.
By life being a ? Yeah. But explicitly in the laws? No. Nowhere does the law record say a poor man isn't en led to equal treatment under the law as a rich person.
Gays don't want equalized benefits.
This is about society accepting them.
That's what this is about.
Well, news flash gay people : We don't accept you. I can be your friend, everything, but don't for one second think that I believe you are normal. that will never change.
With all due respect, MH, over the course of this thread, you've demonstrated you don't know anything about gay people or what they want. Given how skeeved out you are every time you say anything about them, and how utterly unsympathetic these statements invariably are, I'd go so far as to wager that you haven't got one gay friend that you actually talk to about real .
sexuality has been around ever since humans could draw on caves. That makes it pretty normal.
People just need to chill and quit caring really. I doubt it'll become the norm. The idea of a man sticking his waahooo in another man's yooohooo is pretty gross to most males. Natural design intended it to be so reproduction would occur. For most life will continue on the same as usual.
People just aren't ready for gay marriage. Gays and lesbians need to realize that. Some states might be ready and okay with it but there are a lot of states that aren't fans of gay marriage. That's the truth. And sexuality especially gay marriage is a deviant behavior. That's one reason why people aren't fans of gay marriage. It deviates from the norms of society. I once posted on another message board which was extremely liberal that sexuality was a deviant behavior. You should have seen the reaction. It was like I killed a dozen gay people or something. Deviant does not always mean bad. It just means that it deviates from the norms of society.
And sexuality especially gay marriage is a deviant behavior
Yeeeah, according to whom?
God Almighty - the creator of the universe.
Yeeeah, according to whom?
MiamiHeat, WildCobra, DarrinS and co ... I assume that your objection to gays getting married like their heterosexual counterparts is based on the potential ill effects that the spectacle of such a ceremony can have on "normal" people, especially kids, right? Since you don't have any problems with civil unions and legal/financial rights, and since you don't have any problems with gay couples living like straight couples privately, surely it's the public aspect of this matter that bothers you.
If that is the case, what would you say if a majority of people voted for Evangelical Christians to stop practicing/preaching/recruiting in public? Consider the similarities ...
1. Both gays and Evangelicals are a minority in society
2. It can be argued that Evangelicals are deviants from other religions, since they possess unique beliefs that are not shared by the majority
3. Just like you do not want your kids to see an openly gay wedding, I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who don't want a fervent, bible-thumping Evangelical influencing their children.
4. Being an Evangelical is also a matter of choice
So if a majority of people in a certain state voted to force Evangelicals to practice their faith privately, would you be in favor of enforcing such a law?
At what point does all this infringe upon the basic freedom to choose how you want to live your life?
It's a tired argument, but I never get an answer from literalist fundamentalists: If you spent so much time studying God's word, why don't you believe in polygamy, slavery, and all the other things the Old Testament celebrated or condemned? And if Jesus was the Christ, why would you bend his message of love into a justification for bigotry?
But beyond the old arguments, I just wonder how you make sense of gay people in order to assure yourself that they choose to be the way they are. You're saying God made a creature who chooses to be miserable and ostracized, who chooses to be attracted to -- and fall in love with -- the wrong gender, procreationally speaking. Why would somebody do this? What's the end game? And before you answer with some checkout-counter psychology old saw about distant father figures and what-not, realize that you also need to account for sexuality in most other species, as well. Species which presumably don't have daddy issues, even.
Have you ever been attracted to anyone, I wonder? While you were in the grips of this attraction, was choice ever a part of it for you? Or was it just a visceral feeling?
So I assume you don't eat s fish too.
+1
which, by the way, is precisely what has happened in CT, MA, IA, and NH. Same gender couples marry, no one else is really affected unless they're invited to another wedding. Which they can attend or not attend, as they choose.
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