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Spaniards are white.
Almost every european country has been ruled by another, and the Moors invaded almost everyone. Their biggest presence was Southern Spain, obviously.
Spaniards are just the same as Germans, French, Italians, and British.
Ginobili isn't hispanic, even though he speaks Spanish. That's like saying blacks in America are white because they speak English. If you know about history, you'd realize that a boatload of Germans (Walter Hermann) and Italians (Ginobili, Noccioni) fled Europe after WWII. They are all very white.
Spaniards are white.
Almost every european country has been ruled by another, and the Moors invaded almost everyone. Their biggest presence was Southern Spain, obviously.
Spaniards are just the same as Germans, French, Italians, and British.
Last edited by MiamiHeat; 12-10-2009 at 09:32 PM.
No ...and the fact that Manu is an Argentine Spaniard Italiano is even more reason.
Let's look at a few fact here...
In WWII, the Argie were the Nazi Sympathizers, not America, the Americanswere the ones fighting them.
Any sort of escape America may have provided for Nazi war criminals pales in comparison to the warmth and shelter Argentina provided.
Argentina, not America, not Canada, is the whitest country in this hemishphere.
The Argentines didn't just sit around talking about sending blacks back to Africa, they exterminated them. Of the 2 black people left in Argentina, neither of them will admit it, and with good reason.
Germany's closest European allies in WWII were the French, and Italians, and at least ideologically Spain.
Makes absolutely no sense to leave them off, especially in favor of Russians.
You're either a honky or you're not. Nobody from Argentina is a honky. End of story.
Ya, right......
Wtf are you talking about? Being an ally of Germany and being forced to obey German rule after Germany occupied your country are completely different things. France and Germany weren't allies.
Spain fought on Germany's side until they withdrew from the war
Spain fought in Russia, flew alongside german aifroce, etc.... they were allies to hitler until they were pressured to withdraw and remain neutral
6,000 Spanish soldiers defeated 30,000 soviets at stalingrad, alongisde nazi soldiers
My name's Paul, and this is between y'all.
Beg pardone fellas...but as an American, I know beyond all doubt, the first US casualties of WWII in a non-Pacific theater of war, were at the hands of French soldiers.
They were not German soldiers.
They were not Italian soldiers.
They were not Spanish soldiers.
They were not Japanese soldiers.
They were not Nazi soldiers.
They were not fascist soldiers.
They were French soldiers. They were not Vichy French Soldiers, they were soldiers in the regular French Colonial Army, that existed before the Vichy Government.
They were French. French. French. Not German, not Spanish, not Italian, they were French.
More to the point, the US was lead to believe, at least partially, these soldiers would not fire on them, and would flip to the Allies, however, they did not, they opened fire on American troops that were not firing on them, and were giving them a chance to flip sides.
Operation Torch:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch
I am not making it up...Eisenhower, Patton, these are not figments of my imagination, nor is it a figment of my imagination who they fought in their first action in WWII, and it was not the Germans, Italians or Japanese.His covert mission was to determine the mood of the French forces and to make contact with elements that might support an Allied invasion. He succeeded in contacting several French officers, including General Charles Mast, the French commander-in-chief in Algiers. These officers were willing to support the Allies, but asked for a clandestine conference with a senior Allied General in Algeria. Major-General Mark W. Clark, one of Eisenhower's senior commanders, was dispatched to Cherc in Algeria aboard HMS Seraph, a submarine, and met with these Vichy French officers on 21 October 1942.
[edit] Casablanca
The Western Task Force landed before daybreak on 8 November 1942, at three points in Morocco: Safi (Operation Blackstone), Fedala (Operation Brushwood the largest landing with 19,000 men), and Mehdiya-Port Lyautey (Operation Goalpost). Because it was hoped that the French would not resist, there were no preliminary bombardments. This proved to be a costly error as French defenses took a toll of American landing forces.
On the night of 7 November pro-Allied General Antoine Béthouart attempted a coup d'etat against the French command in Morocco, so that he could surrender to the Allies the next day. His forces surrounded the villa of General Charles Noguès, the Vichy-loyal high commissioner. However, Noguès telephoned loyal forces, who stopped the coup. In addition, the coup attempt alerted Noguès to the impending Allied invasion, and he immediately bolstered French coastal defenses.
At Safi, the landings were mostly successful. The landings were begun without covering fire, in the hope that the French would not resist at all. However, once French coastal batteries opened fire, Allied warships returned fire. By the time Allied commanding General Harmon arrived, French snipers had pinned the assault troops (most of whom were in combat for the first time) on Safi's beaches. Most of the landings occurred behind schedule. Carrier aircraft destroyed a French truck convoy bringing reinforcements to the beach defenses. Safi surrendered on the afternoon of 8 November. By 10 November, the remaining defenders were pinned down, and the bulk of Harmon's forces raced to join the siege of Casablanca.
Secondly, the French, not Spain, not Italy, were second only to Germany in rounding up Jews...in fact, in some cases they were more exubertant about it than the Nazis themselves. Observe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France
In July 1942 the French police, under the orders of René Bousquet and his second in Paris, Jean Leguay, organized, along with responsibles from the SNCF, the state railway company, the Vel'd'hiv raid which took place on July 16 and July 17. The police arrested 12,884 Jews - including 4,051 children, which the Gestapo had not asked for - 5,082 women and 3,031 men, and imprisoned them in the Winter Velodrome in unhygienic conditions, from which they were led to Drancy internment camp (run by Nazi Alois Brunner, who is still wanted for crimes against humanity, and French constabulary police) and then to the concentration camps. This action alone represented more than a quarter of the 42,000 French Jews sent to Auschwitz in 1942, of which only 811 would come back after the end of the war. The Gestapo had hardly ordered it to act so; the police eagerly participated in the raid. On July 16, 1995, president Jacques Chirac officially recognized the active participation of French police forces in the July 16, 1942 raid. "There was no effective police resistance until the end of Spring of 1944", wrote historians Jean-Luc Einaudi and Maurice Rajsfus[23]
In total, the Vichy government helped in the deportation of 76,000 Jews, although this number varies depending on the account, to German extermination camps; only 2,500 survived the war.[24]
Now contrast that with Italy's participation in the holocaust:
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?ModuleId=10005455
Although allied with Germany, Fascist Italy did not willingly cooperate in the Nazi plan to kill the Jews of Europe. Italians generally refused to participate in genocide, or to permit deportations from Italy or the Italian occupation zones in Yugoslavia, Greece, and France to the Nazi extermination camps. Italian military officers and officials usually protected Jews and Italian-occupied areas were relatively safe for Jews. Between 1941 and 1943, thousands of Jews escaped to Italy and Italian-occupied territory from German-occupied territory.
Don't sell the French short, they were far better allies for the Nazis where the holocaust and possibly even killing Americans were concerned than the Italians ever were.
I stand by my comments. That they were following orders does not wash, I mean that's all the Nazi Germans were doing, was following orders. Wasn't like Hitler himself was German.
They go on the team
Last edited by whottt; 12-12-2009 at 04:47 AM.
You guys are getting too detailed... basically white means that your skin color is white. There is NO definition whatsoever of the term "white". The only thing you can argue here for an all-white all-star team is based off of your judgment of how light-skinned the basketball player is. Otherwise, you'd create a thread called "Any color except for black All-Star Team"
So you're telling me that this guy isn't white?
He ain't no honky, that's for sure.So you're telling me that this guy isn't white?
If he's from Argentina, he's a . End of story.
man it's like you took time to think this through.
hahaha i figured everybody put their two cents in so i might as well.
WWII was instigated by Germany, courtesy of your uncle Adolf Hilter.
Petrovic and to some extent Oscar Schmidt.
Why no Bogut?
WTF? Oscar Schmidt wasn't a SG.
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