<Insert Big Trade Proposal Here>

[DPG21920]

Just anyone who can help on the interior would go a long way. At that point, you just have to hope TP and Manu get better and TD sustains.

[GooberNuts]

I'm not super disappointed in Jefferson - I mean he's a quality player who I think is still trying to fit in to our system. But his price tag just isn't worth it for what we are getting out of him.

[Marcus Bryant]

So now we need to make a trade. ROFL. Make up your mind.

[it's me]

This trade :

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yjbumay

Tim Duncan -> Cleveland
Ilgauskas + Moon + Gibson -> San Antonio

Why ?

Because i want to see Tim Duncan win 1 or 2 more rings !
Because Tim + Shack + Lebron would be badassss !
Because i want to see the multiple threads of "WTF is that trade" by Lakers fans !
Because i want to see the old Tim & Shack destroy the soft Bynum & Gasol !
Because i want to see the face of KB24 when he'll see Tim & Shack win their 5th ring !

And because the Spurs are not going to make the playoffs this year.
Start over, draft in the 1st 10 picks 2 or 3 years in a row... Maybe we'll be lucky and get a new franchise player.
Bring Tiago Splitter next year and play the young guys.
If Tony & Manu want to stay, good... if not trade them or give them to contenders.

Now, you can yell at me !

this is funny.....

[Truckules]

To win a ring this year, the FO needs to get Haywood for expirings and pick(s). Then, we need to hope Pop gets out of whatever funk he is in. I don't know if he's losing it or if he doesn't care anymore.

[DPG21920]

His price tag is part of the reason the Spurs got him. It was where the Bucks got value in the trade.

[Mikesatx]

This teams only shot is to make what they have work. There is no trade that is going to make this team a le contender this year.

[rascal]

Point is, it is not right to do what Spurs fans do given the cir stances. The asked the FO to make moves to try and win, and they did that. That should be enough to keep fans from completely ting on them.

Now give them time to rectify the situation.

Its not just about making moves, its making the right moves.

[MaNu4Tres]

I know it's a long shot, but the best, at least semi-realistic trade proposal I can come up with is Jefferson, Splitter, a 1st round draft pick (and possibly some minor assets) for Iguodala and Dalembert.

76ers motivation: bad team, awful attendance, bloated payroll, looking to trade either Dalembert or Brand and so desperate to do so that they may part with Iguodala to accomplish that. In Jefferson, they get a huge expiring contract for next season and a lesser version of Iguodala, who could theoretically replace the majority of his production on that team in the short term. In this trade, they accomplish said goal of dealing Dalembert, gain cap flexibility for '11 and get two quality assets in Splitter and a 1st.

Spurs motivation: it's simple, the off season makeover clearly isn't working out and the two biggest needs are a stopper who can double as a fourth option (Iguodala) and an athletic big man who can rebound, block shots and protect the rim in general (Dalembert). Add these two to Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, McDyess, Hill and Blair and you theoretically have the makings of a legit championship contender for this season and next.

I know Dalembert is a sometimes malcontent and has a low basketball IQ, but he seems like a genuinely good guy, theoretically fills the Spurs front line needs (and is significantly younger and more durable than Camby) and if taking on his contract means the Spurs acquire Iguodala, then how do they say no?

Pop loves Dalembert believe it or not and has praised about him behind closed doors.

I was an advocate of this proposal in the trade speculation thread.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...143456&page=15

[DPG21920]

So now we need to make a trade. ROFL. Make up your mind.

WTF are you going on about. I never said you were fickle. I never said anyone who thinks we need to make a trade is fickle. I have been in agreement that the Spurs needed a trade long before you started your thread, which by the way there is another one just like it.

I said that the fans are being fickle. I said that because they are going overboard with their criticisms of the situation. I am not happy with how things turned out, but I am happy with the initial plan. The FO tried to win.

[DPG21920]

Its not just about making moves, its making the right moves.

So you thought bringing in Dice and RJ was bad from the start?

[TD 21]

Yeah, it doesn't come close to working under the cap. Roughly $23.5 million in combined salaries from Iguodala and Dalembert and roughly $14 million from Jefferson. Either the Spurs could cobble together a few of their expiring contracts to even out the money or they bring in a third team to help facilitate the trade. As a base for a trade, though, that trade theoretically satisfies both teams needs. It would mostly come down to this: are the 76ers so motivated to rid themselves of Dalembert that they give up Iguodala in the process? If the answer is yes, then that's not a bad return for them.

[rascal]

I don't think we need a big trade..a BIG trade is too risky, look at what's happening with RJ..

I'd try to trade RJ, but I doubt any team bites..the only way we could move him without question would be for an Elton Brand-like contract, but that would be stupid by the Spurs..

I wouldn't trade Manu, he's still valuable..

Trade Mason/Bonner/Finley and whoever else expires..trade any current or future 1st round picks..trade the rights to Splitter..this SHOULD net us a legit big and maybe a defensive stopper, although I'd settle for just the big man..

Will that guarantee anything? No, obviously not..nothing short of a Gasol trade would guarantee anything..but it will help shore up a serious problem with the D, it will help Duncan battle down low, and it could also bring some new blood and spark this team..then there's the wildcard..will the coach play this big man legit minutes?..

Trading for a big name isn't an option though, this team has too many issues with chemistry as it is..

Mason/Bonner/Finley won't get you anyone who will make any type of difference.

[z0sa]

The championship isn't won in the offseason on paper.

[DPG21920]

Pop loves Dalembert believe it or not and has praised about him behind closed doors.

I was an advocate of this proposal in the trade speculation thread.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...143456&page=15

Spurs would need to come up with approx. 10M more dollars to make that trade work. Even then, they would need something back talent wise.

[DPG21920]

The championship isn't won in the offseason on paper.

Obviously. Spurs are a prime example of that.

[Mikesatx]

As long as Duncan plays and is healthy the team will challenge for the playoffs. Won't win it all but will challenge. As a life long spur fan I'd feel sick if Duncan ended career in another jersey.

[MaNu4Tres]

Yeah, it doesn't come close to working under the cap. Roughly $23.5 million in combined salaries from Iguodala and Dalembert and roughly $14 million from Jefferson. Either the Spurs could cobble together a few of their expiring contracts to even out the money or they bring in a third team to help facilitate the trade. As a base for a trade, though, that trade theoretically satisfies both teams needs. It would mostly come down to this: are the 76ers so motivated to rid themselves of Dalembert that they give up Iguodala in the process? If the answer is yes, then that's not a bad return for them.

Jefferson/ Bonner/ Mason for Iggy and Dalembert works

[DPG21920]

Mason/Bonner/Finley won't get you anyone who will make any type of difference.

This is the true source of any debate. There are varying degrees of how much this team needs.

[z0sa]

So you thought bringing in Dice and RJ was bad from the start?

Dyess looks done, sad but true. He literally never cuts or rolls on picks for layups, instead favoring covered jumpshots. He never posts up or takes his man to the basket off a fake. He's also never been a strong defender and always had a slightly above average fouling rate.

RJ just doesn't fit in this system. Truth be told, with this many offensive options TP is too dominant with the ball. TP should be splitting playmaking duties more often and should actually defer to RJ at times without a playcall.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs would need to come up with approx. 10M more dollars to make that trade work. Even then, they would need something back talent wise.

Like the Bucks did?

Go look at my proposal in the thread.

Jefferson/ Mason/ Bonner for Iggy and Dalembert works

throw in Splitters right and a future 1st that should get the 76ers thinking.

[Fabbs]

^ prime example of the pathetic Spurs fan who obviously knows very little about the game.

coaches can be traded .
And/or teams compensated for the *loss*.

Bosh in place of Popped makes us immediately 10Xs better.

[rascal]

So you thought bringing in Dice and RJ was bad from the start?

No but they still did not address the inferior frontline with the moves they made. Expecting McDyess and Bonner to get the majority of minutes won't cut it.
That is where the problem lies, no interior defense. McDyess is at the end of his career now.

[DPG21920]

Dyess looks done, sad but true. He literally never cuts or rolls on picks for layups, instead favoring covered jumpshots. He never posts up or takes his man to the basket off a fake. He's also never been a strong defender and always had a slightly above average fouling rate.

RJ just doesn't fit in this system. Truth be told, with this many offensive options TP is too dominant with the ball. TP should be splitting playmaking duties more often and should actually defer to RJ at times without a playcall.

All of that may be true, but virtually every Spurs fan on here was happy in the off season when the Spurs made those moves.

[Sense]

I agree.... there needs to be a change.