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Oh joy! Another whottt v ChumpHumper circle jerk.
There is, but what does that difference really mean aside from lowering one's chance at MVP? Is it really making a difference on the court?I will dispute the relevance of this -- aside from individual prizes and accolades, what is the difference coming off the bench where it really matters, on the court?I believe what whottt meant goes back to my argument: MVP > 6 MOY. Do you want to dispute this argument too?That's what i like about you. Asked and answered.I said, three weeks ago, that I thought benching Manu to boost some other player's confidence, might be detrimental to Manu's own confidence (as it was last year). He himself has made it clear it is not. He has made it clear he wants the best for his team, he trusts Pop and that he will embrace the move. Therefore, I was wrong.
Oh joy! Another whottt v ChumpHumper circle jerk.
STFU and go make a new user name...it's what you seem to do best these days...it's all you seem to do.
Actually, these days I tend not to read your drivel.
You also tend to not post any of your own, cheerleader...what's the problem? Tired of getting owned? Still hurting from the Jason Kidd thing?
Yes, your ability to say nothing in 10,000 words never ceases to amaze.
C'mon chump. Looks like you are beating a dead horse. Why do the best players start? Why don't the play their 35 - 45 mpg coming off the bench?
Tell me how many players have asked to be traded because they start and I will tell you how many players have asked to be traded because they did not start.
There's money considerations too, although in Manu's case this does not apply.
And then there's prestige.
You might agree or not agree with my reasons, but reality validates me. Best players get the best contracts and start, don't come off the bench.
With what I believe I agree with you is on the fact it does not matter that much the whole benching issue if Manu gets his minutes and closes games, which I trust is what will happen going forward. But even if he gets his 30 mpg and he closes games, I would like to see Manu start sooner rather than later.
Man, I got whottt and chump to through some love my way. This might be the first time you guys agree on something.
Manu's ability to play that long is in question, so that was definitely part of the decision process.Why don't the play their 35 - 45 mpg coming off the bench?Will Manu?Tell me how many players have asked to be traded because they start and I will tell you how many players have asked to be traded because they did not start.Well, we are talking about Manu here.There's money considerations too, although in Manu's case this does not apply.Yes, and this seems to be the overriding reason, which is why I specified what it changes on the basketball court.And then there's prestige.We'll see. We might be looking for a long time trying to find someone to bring it off the bench consistently.But even if he gets his 30 mpg and he closes games, I would like to see Manu start sooner rather than later.
He can play 30 mpg starting and coming off the bench. Arguably, if he comes of the bench, he has less time to rest.
How the should I know? We can ask him in the "Messages to Manu" section of his website.
We are, but I was also giving you the reasons why starting>comming off the bench, but they seem to go into your brain through one ear and come out the other one without sinking in . . .
The overriding reason is that the best players start (I proved this to you at nauseaum). It follows logically that if Manu is arguably the 2nd best Spur, Manu should start. He will help the team because he is one of the most unselfish players in the NBA, to fix a short term problem. But in the long run, he should start.
So lets use the "energy guy", the "spark of off the bench" the "garbage player".
Do you really want Sequ to forever about how the Spurs pay $52MM to a bench player?
And he can do both well.He can play 30 mpg starting and coming off the bench.That would really only matter if he were trying to play much over 30 minutes. Manu averaged the fewest minutes of any All-Star this season, even the historically gimpy ones. To me that speaks more to how special Manu can be in the limited time he can play - and I'm sure he could get an All-Star berth coming off the bench too. Quite prestigious.Arguably, if he comes of the bench, he has less time to rest.It looks like he already answered it there.How the should I know? We can ask him in the "Messages to Manu" section of his website.Not really, we only now started talking about what actually happens on the court -- I asked that specifically.We are, but I was also giving you the reasons why starting>comming off the bench, but they seem to go into your brain through one ear and come out the other one without sinking inSo "just because" is the main reason.The overriding reason is that the best players startLet's use the players in a way that maximizes the effectiveness of the team, and to with the prestige of having your name called before the game. I have never used the term "garbage player" for Manu, so don't attribute that to me. And since when is being an energy guy or or bench spark a bad thing? Prestige again?So lets use the "energy guy", the "spark of off the bench" the "garbage player"He's going to no matter what. Sorry if hurts anyone's prestige.Do you really want Sequ to forever about how the Spurs pay $52MM to a bench player?
Chump, are you actually suggesting that Manu come off the bench for the rest of his career?
If that's what you're arguing, I have to agree with Smeagol - he will eventually ask for a trade, or be traded because a bench player is not worth that kind of salary, no matter how good he is.
But really I think this is being blown way out of porportion. Has Pop said anywhere that Manu will ALWAYS come off the bench? No.
He'll do it sometimes to throw off the opposition, but Pop knows Manu is one the Spurs best players, and he won't keep him off the starting line-up forever.
Last edited by MadDog73; 04-29-2005 at 04:55 PM.
Chump:
The best players start. That's my view. If there's a short term problem, and Manu solves it by coming off the bench, so be it. In the long run, he should start because he is good enough to be considered a starter.
We can go round and round in circles if you want. I stand by the above statement.
I'm just working with hypotheticals here. I've already said what I think will happen next season, and that includes Manu's starting again.Chump, are you actually suggesting that Manu come off the bench for the rest of his career?I know, but I'm asking for everyone's reasoning on why that must be so.The best players start. That's my view.You just went around in your own circle.he should start because he is good enough to be considered a starter.
As I said, I think he'll go back to starting next season at the latest. It's just really interesting to hear the reasons put forth as to why he must start.
Because even though Manu does want to do the best for the team, and he does want to win, there's something that tells me that he might just want to do the best for HIM...after all, it's his career, and he wants to get the best out of it.
I'll say it again if I have to: The Spurs were the best team in the league when healthy, and next season, the team will be just that: healthy.
...therefor, Manu starts.
No need to discuss this anymore. we agree!
Best players, in every sport start, the don't come off the bench, they are not subs. Soccer, basketball, rugby, hocky, etc.
You can't vote for "because that's the way it is" again -- we got it the first time. Sometimes relief pitchers are the best on the team, however.Best players, in every sport start, the don't come off the bench, they are not subs. Soccer, basketball, rugby, hocky, etc.
As I said, that argument is merely academic -- but there is something pretty attractive about the idea that Nazr and Barry could hold their own as starters and Rasho and Manu (and hopefully Scola) could anchor the most ridiculous second squad in professional basketball.
Baseball doesn't count at all, it's not even a sport.
Manu is a better fit as a firey high point scorer off the bench, ALA Ricky Pierce, John havlicheck, all of those guys.
Detlef Schrempf was a of a player, and he won multiple six mans in Indiana and Seattle.
Manu has been, and will be IMO, a firey, sparkplug, high scorer off the bench, that gets alot of minutes in the 4th quarter.
I think his should stay this way, and, IMO, what the , keep it next year.
Its what is best for the team.
Rasho, Scola, Ginobili would be a great bench.
uh yeah it is poindexter.Baseball doesn't count at all, it's not even a sport.
Says who? Why is it supposed to be that way? Fact: it isn't that way.The best players start. That's how it's supposed to be.
It's the example that kills your whole argument. You're telling me that Kevin McHale was 'supposed' to start and that he wasn't one of the best players on the team? What about Ricky Pierce? He was considered to be the best player on some Seattle teams. Desmond Mason has come off of the bench for much of his career. He certainly hasn't been inferior to every swing player starting in front of him.Please stop bringing up KM and all the other great six men. Its getting old.
It's clear that there isn't a particular way it's 'supposed' to be, and it's also clear that the best players don't always start.
So you agree that the best players are always supposed to start and that bench players can never be better than starters. That's the point he's making, quoted above.the valid points he makes
I see where you're coming from, and it makes sense. I'm not sure that Whottt really understands, though.said, three weeks ago, that I thought benching Manu to boost some other player's confidence, might be detrimental to Manu's own confidence (as it was last year). He himself has made it clear it is not. He has made it clear he wants the best for his team, he trusts Pop and that he will embrace the move. Therefore, I was wrong.
ummm...no baseball is a hobby.
You call fat, out of shape, steroid-using men athletes?
whottt disagrees with the move.
Because he hates Popovich.
That simple.
Pop could say go, he would say stop.
Green, blue.
Whottt the great, who thinks he is smarter than two time NBA Champion head coach,
but thats always par for the course on a message board.
People think they can do better, they talk out of their ass thinking they know whats going on when not even there.
It runs rampant, and hes at the head of he dumbass class.
You call fat, out of shape, steroid-using men athletes?
Blow it out of your ass.
A small percentage of the players does not make a sport.
Quit talking out of your ass Euro.
Apologize.
Quit talking out of your ass, South American.
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