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  1. #101
    Fuck Stern sefant77's Avatar
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    The Marion signing is even worse now though..he's coming off the bench?..Butler at the 2 won't work well enough.

    Still helps their depth though..

    Dallas is pretty dangerous with this deal..if Butler continues to play well like he has since his early struggles, they could finally have a legit #2 option..Haywood is also one of the best post defenders in the NBA, so that will help tremendously, especially with Dampier off the bench..

    Mavs could be dangerous..
    Marions contract is one year too long but guess that was just the prize u had to pay that u got him.

    And he wont come off the bench. I guess Terry goes back to the bench but RC will start early subs utions. Butler wont spend much time on SG because Terry will play there 30-32mins.

    Kidd/Barea/Roddy
    Butler 16 / Terry 32
    Marion 24 / Butler 24
    Dirk 36 Marion 12
    Haywood 28 / Damp 20

    Something like that. Good is that Butler and Marion can move up one position without a problem.

  2. #102
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    This might get some excited about this trade for the mavs. http://www.82games.com/0910/0910WAS.HTM

  3. #103
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    Marions contract is one year too long but guess that was just the prize u had to pay that u got him.

    And he wont come off the bench. I guess Terry goes back to the bench but RC will start early subs utions. Butler wont spend much time on SG because Terry will play there 30-32mins.

    Kidd/Barea/Roddy
    Butler 16 / Terry 32
    Marion 24 / Butler 24
    Dirk 36 Marion 12
    Haywood 28 / Damp 20

    Something like that. Good is that Butler and Marion can move up one position without a problem.
    I actually wouldn't mind Butler backing up the 2 and 3. And hopefully Beaubois becomes the full time backup or maybe even starting at the 2.

  4. #104
    I will not be mishandled MI21's Avatar
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    Nice work by the Mavs. This adds some talent on the perimeter and some all important size up front which helps in a matchup again LA/Cle.

    Meanwhile, coach Pop will continue to around with small ball. Sigh.

  5. #105
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    True, but I don't know if this trade is enough to put them on the same level as the Lakers.

    But this, on top of hopefully getting another big deal out of Dampier in the offseason, should mean Dallas is a real threat to win a le next season.
    If everything clicks just right and Dirk goes back to MVP form that he was at early this year and late last year, we can beat anyone. We just need to get lucky.

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    Mavericks reach tentative deal to trade Howard for Wizards' Caron Butler
    09:41 PM CST on Friday, February 12, 2010

    Josh Howard's tenure with the Mavericks, which began with quality production but eroded into inconsistency and controversy, is coming to an end.

    The Mavericks have reached a tentative agreement to send Howard, Drew Gooden and two other players to Washington for swingman Caron Butler, center Brendan Haywood and guard DeShawn Stevenson, numerous NBA sources said Friday.

    Though the deal still needs league approval, both sides have agreed on the moving parts in a trade that will cost the Mavericks more money but also brings them more talent, at least in the short run.

    Butler is under contract through next season, at a cost of more than $10.5 million. He figures to slide into the role that Howard was playing, although he also could end up starting if Jason Terry is moved back to the sixth-man role.

    Haywood, who is averaging 9.8 points and 10.3 rebounds, is in the final season of his contract, which pays him $6 million. The Mavericks will face the decision of re-signing him in the summer.

    Stevenson has been a bit player for the Wizards and is under contract through 2010-11 at $4.1 million.

    The Maverick will be sending James Singleton and Quinton Ross along with Gooden and Howard, who has had a wild 6 ½ seasons with the Mavericks.

    He was an All-Star in 2007, when he averaged 18.9 points in 70 games. But that was about the time his troubles began. He admitted during the playoffs that season to using marijuana in the off-season. During that summer, he was caught on someone's cell phone video at a charity flag football game disrespecting the national anthem. This season, Howard has struggled to regain his form after ankle surgery in the summer. He has averaged 12.5 points and 3.6 rebounds, although he had begun to pick up his play in the last few games before the All-Star break.

    Gooden has been a valuable asset in relief of Erick Dampier, but his $4.5 million salary was needed to make the trade work under NBA guidelines.

    As word filtered out Friday that the deal was essentially done, several experts believe it is a good, aggressive deal by the Mavericks.

    "It's a great trade for the Mavericks," said TNT analyst Charles Barkley. "They're going to be happy with Caron Butler. He's going to be really good with Jason Kidd."

    Added NBA TV analyst Steve Smith: "They weren't going anywhere the way they were. It's going to make them better. Butler needed to get out of Washington."

    Butler, 29, is averaging 16.9 points, down from his 20.8 average of last season. But he also grabs 6.7 rebounds this season. The thinking is that he was not a good fit with coach Flip Saunders' style in Washington.

    Haywood is a 7-footer who averages 2.1 blocks per game and shoots better than 56 percent from the field this season.

    The thinking is that the Wizards may use either Singleton or Ross, or perhaps both, to facilitate another trade.

    The Mavericks, meanwhile, will have 13 players under contract, giving them space to sign another player if one is waived or they have their eye on somebody from the NBA Development League.










    Chucks comment scares me. He is usually wrong on every prediction he makes

  7. #107
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    Great move in theory imo, just have to see how it plays out.

  8. #108
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    i hope you mean for 2nd in the west
    I really think the Mavs could compete with them with this new roster... very deep bench and obviously their starters are awesome.

  9. #109
    Duh and/or hello! Ode to Triple Ocho's Avatar
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    Yeah they are. I actually think they could win it without Kobe. Sick team that is stacked.
    With what closer? Winning regular season games is not hard. Pau still hasn't won a playoff game without Kobe.

    Are all Mav fans around here as dumb as you?

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    In Dirk We Trust sribb43's Avatar
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    With what closer? Winning regular season games is not hard. Pau still hasn't won a playoff game without Kobe.

    Are all Mav fans around here as dumb as you?
    Who is bag newbie?

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    With what closer? Winning regular season games is not hard. Pau still hasn't won a playoff game without Kobe.

    Are all Mav fans around here as dumb as you?
    You can't admit your team is stacked in all positions? The west isn't that tough either. Maybe the Cavs could knock out a Kobe-less Lakers but Kobe doesn't need to do much for his team to win. Dirk has to do everything unfortunately.

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    No way the Wiz shoulld have allowed themselves to get strong-armed into giving up Haywood for really no net gain.

    But then, they are the freaking Wiz.

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    No way the Wiz shoulld have allowed themselves to get strong-armed into giving up Haywood for really no net gain.

    But then, they are the freaking Wiz.

  14. #114
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    Man ill miss Gooden, he played like a dumbass some nights with his 1v5 offense but he scrapped for every loose ball and rebound and played his ass off.Haywood is definitely an upgrade though.

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    LMFAO at the guys on TNT saying the Mavs need toughness and they got it from Caron/Haywood.

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    I said this in the other thread, this trade puts them up to Denver's level, and just behind the Lakers. If they can get something big for Dampier, which they almost certaintly will, Mavfan might have themsevles a legit contender.

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