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    A neverending cycle Trainwreck2100's Avatar
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    The lamest aspect is that we've personally helped E-N writers in the past with stories. Guess this is the thanks.

    Oh well. This request is within their rights.
    Its possible this request could have come from their higher ups and they had no knowledge.

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    Wait a minute, am I understanding Kori's response correctly? Will you be taking down ALL E-N threads and posts, even if they comply with E-N's request? Is that really how you want to play it?

    I'd rather see two sentences, a le, and a link, than nothing at all. Couldn't you charm your way into getting E-N to allow, say, a whole paragraph instead of two sentences?
    I'm not going to sit and edit hundreds of thread from the last 7 years. So yeah, I will probably just delete them all.

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    Its possible this request could have come from their higher ups and they had no knowledge.
    You're probably right. Some corporate bean-counter at Hearst trying to keep himself useful before the next round of layoffs.

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    The only article link I will really miss is the one about the Spurstalk gtgs. Bo is quoted in that one.

    Thankfully, I bought a copy of that paper so I have the article in my Spurs scrap book.

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    Ohhhhh, fancy New York lawyers... Ahhhhhh

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    Not to mention this is a non-profit forum.

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    Henry Abbott apparently thinks the E-N's two sentence rule isn't a good one, since he's lifting more than 2 sentences from E-N material and posting it on his ESPN blog.

    (that, or he hasn't yet gotten his letter from their attorney)

    (or, the E-N is cool with more extensive use of its work when it talks about Michael Finley, suggesting that Gregg Popovich might be making legal decisions at the E-N)

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...cup-tuesday-94

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    The letter's a plant from Spursreport.com!

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    Here's the truth of the matter:

    I can find news reporting very easily anywhere on the net. However, it's good INSIGHT that I covet more than anything. The E-N hasn't had any valuable insight into the Spurs since Pop put the fear of Pop into the local media, and they essentially lost their will to ask real questions. Johnny Ludden was the last good journalist with any insight that we've had covering the Spurs. The current crop at E-N don't have it. They just don't.

    So when I see links on this board to the E-N, I know two things immediately:

    1. It's not worth my time because E-N and its columnists provide no depth and no insight.

    2. Any item from the E-N has already been covered in-depth and en masse at SpursTalk by enough folks that I can probably glean a certain level of insight on my own by weeding through the trolls, and paying attention to perspectives by sensible talking heads like kori, timvp, marcusbryant, and a few others.

    So with that said -- congrats, E-N. You've given me one more reason to permanently ignore you, and taken yet another miscalculated step toward print-media oblivion.

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    Do I sense a revival of Full Sport Press?

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    I don't remember any time in the last year or three that I visited the Express-News site (or purchased a paper). Their news article postings on here just serve as comic relief for the most part, due to their poor writing, absent editing and obvious thievery of some of our better posters' ideas.

    Spurs.com, on the other hand, has turned into a great source for Spurs news and I frequent that site at least once a week. It's also fun to watch the postgame quotes and videos and I enjoy the convenience of clicking a SpursTalk link to get there.

    I doubt this "demand" will do anything to substantially raise their traffic in the short-term and probably isn't a smart long-term move. But I guess we'll see. With the newspaper industry dying, they are no doubt desperate to squeeze out as many hits as possible
    The death of the newspaper industry is a sad truth these days. I just cancelled my final newspaper subscription since I can read all the content I need online from their pay site. Although the convenience of the internet and the general "Save the Trees" movement have contributed to newspapers' demise, some papers will handle the shrinking market better than others due to management decisions far better than the one reflected by the SA Express-News in this thread.

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    I'm not going to sit and edit hundreds of thread from the last 7 years. So yeah, I will probably just delete them all.
    I'm not talking about the last 7 years. I'm talking about going forward.

    Will all E-N articles get deleted? Just curious.

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    I am currently looking up some case law concerning this matter, just to add my two cents.

    But what I do know for sure is that there is a very plausible "Estoppel" legal argument to be made.

    Estoppel is a legal affirmative defense. A copyright defendant must prove four conjunctive elements to establish estoppel as a defense to a copyright infringement allegation: (1) the plaintiff must know the facts of the defendant's infringing conduct; (2) the plaintiff must intend that its conduct shall be acted on or must so act that the defendant has a right to believe that it is so intended; (3) the defendant must be ignorant of the true facts; and (4) the defendant must rely on the plaintiff's conduct to its injury.

    Basically, Spurstalk would have to show that (1) EN knew that articles were being posted; (2) that EN intended the posting of articles to be ok or EN acted in a way to make Spurstalk believe that it was ok to post articles; (3) Spurstalk didn't know it was not ok; and (4) Spurstalk relied on EN's conduct to its detriment.

    The meat and bones of such a legal defense lies in whether EN allowed this to happen for some time and this made Spurstalk think it was ok. EN would be "Estopped" from now claiming infringement.

    I think that the link that timvp posted (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95610) speaks volumes.

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    I'm not talking about the last 7 years. I'm talking about going forward.

    Will all E-N articles get deleted? Just curious.
    We'll have to figure out how to handle it. They want no more than two sentences with a link.

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    We'll have to figure out how to handle it. They want no more than two sentences with a link.
    Make Express-News a "hidden" forum...

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    wow....

    I must admit, there have been a few times that we requested an article not be posted in it's entirety. One quick PM to timvp and it was always resolved amicably.

    I personally value the relationship we have with this board and most of it's members. However it does hurt (from a user's perspective) that there will be one less outlet for Spurs coverage on the board.

    Here's hoping that all this may get worked out in due time
    This is called "class". Not surprising, since that's a word that always seems to come to mine when talking about the Spurs organization. A hearty thanks to you.


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    why the express news player hatin its not like we read the newspaper anyways


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    Duncan228's post count is going to go way down now!

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    Henry Abbott apparently thinks the E-N's two sentence rule isn't a good one, since he's lifting more than 2 sentences from E-N material and posting it on his ESPN blog.

    (that, or he hasn't yet gotten his letter from their attorney)

    (or, the E-N is cool with more extensive use of its work when it talks about Michael Finley, suggesting that Gregg Popovich might be making legal decisions at the E-N)

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...cup-tuesday-94
    Henry Abbott doesn't slam the writers and E-N in his blog.

    "another for monroe" DesignatedT
    " More sucktacular reporting from the Excuse for News." Aggie Hoopsfan

    Maybe its responses like this that put the final pin in the party hog.

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    The people here are probably some of the only people that even read that .

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    When it almost had passed from my memory I once again finda reason to miss the San Antonio Light.

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    the express news is here right now.

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    the express news is here right now.
    how do you know that? Are you the narc?

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