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I'm still not quite sure how you keep thinking Toni Kukoc is comparable to Manu Ginobili.
Ginobili would be a lock for the hall of fame if he'd never played in the NBA.
True. That is some Solid logic.
Yo the person who gives spurs on here should give me a spur i only been on here 1 month or 2 and already predicted spurs would stop kd's streak and all the threads i start go hot mayne and i was watching this thing on espn i forgot when but it said manu is the 3rd best left hand basketball player of all time
Are you serious? You must be ouuta yo rabbit ass mind! He aint done enough. Some of you people don't watch basketball. Yal just watch stats.
I'm a big Manu fan but his NBA career isn't enough to make him a HoF.
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He's definitely a HOFer because of his international and Olympic accolades. It's the Basketball HOF, not the NBA HOF.
Really? Are you thinking Kukoc doesnt deserve to be in the same sentence with manu too?
Of course Kukoc can be in the same sentence with Manu. Something likes this comes to mind:Really? Are you thinking Kukoc doesnt deserve to be in the same sentence with manu too?
Manu is a lock for induction to the Basketball HOF while Kukoc is not.
That doesn't answer my question. In your honest opinion, is Toni Kukoc a mortal lock as well.
Here's what you're said to argue why Manu is a mortal lock:
With that logic, look at Toni Kukoc's international resume and his international career outshines all of the international players in the HOF like you argue Manu's does. At this point, it's not about whether you feel Manu has a better case, which is arguable but I can agree with. It's about you using the logic that Manu's list of accomplishments are greater than the international players already in the HOF. With that logic, go look. Toni Kukoc's international accomplishments are greater than those guys too.
In your honest opinion, is Toni Kukoc a mortal lock for the HOF as well?
Precisely because of your last sentence.I'm still not quite sure how you keep thinking Toni Kukoc is comparable to Manu Ginobili.
Ginobili would be a lock for the hall of fame if he'd never played in the NBA.
Many if not most people who are argue that Ginobili deserves to be in the HOF based on his international accomplishments. And right there you just said if Manu never played in the NBA, he'd still be a lock. Well, Kukoc's international career is just as good and arguably better than Manu's international career.
Take away the NBA part of both of their careers. That's why I bring up Kukoc.
Déjà vu thread
First, I'm pretty sure there is no such "Olympics MVP" award.
Secondly, I love how some other posters have made the point that Manu "almost won" the 2005 NBA Finals MVP as part of the argument. Well, let's re-examine the 2004 Olympic gold medal Argentina won and look at cir stantial factors as well. That was the most watered down Olympic squad Team USA put out since they started sending pros to the Olympics. In 2004, the best American born NBA players didn't even go to the Olympics except for Duncan and Iverson. LeBron, Wade, and Carmelo just finished their rookies years and didn't even get legitimate playing time. Team USA even sent several veteran players who weren't even all stars, in Odom, Richard Jefferson, Boozer. The best players in the league at the team included guys like Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Shaquille O'Neal, Jermaine O'Neal, Jason Kidd, Ray Allen, Tracy McGrady... they didn't participate. Compare that to the 1992 Dream Team that Kukoc and Croatia lost to who not only had all the best players in the NBA participate, but the best players in the history of the game.
The Olympic gold Manu helped Argentina win is absolutely a great accomplishment. But, let's be real. You add Jason Kidd, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, and either KG or JO, does Argentina beat Team USA? If people are going to say "Manu almost won the Finals MVP" as one deciding factor, I'm going to argue the 2004 Olympic gold is weakened by what I just wrote.
Kukoc international resume, even without that Olympic gold, is still arguably better.
Kukoc was the first international player to start on an NBA championship team.
If Manu's Euroleague career were what makes him a lock for the hall of fame, then I'd be more inclined to agree with you. I don't know for sure, but I don't think Kukoc was the best player on any of his national teams, and I don't think any of them ever came in better than third place, and none of them beat a US team full of NBA stars on the way to a gold medal or a world championship.
Take away the NBA part of both of their careers, and then take away Manu's FIBA career, and then he and Kukoc are similar.
You should have stopped there. Let's be real. It's a great accomplishment and nobody is going to go back years from now and say "well that US team couldn't hit an outside shot so their gold medal doesn't count as much".
why wouldn't he be?
its the "BASKETBALL HOF"
not the "NBA HOF"
Just like nobody is going to argue "but Manu almost won an NBA Finals MVP?"
That's partly my point.
you are an idiot.
Oh I completely agree with you on that. Your contention about the USA team is a perfect counterargument to the "Shoulda been finals MVP" crowd.
Kukoc was the best player on the Croatian team that won silver in the 1992 Olympics. Their 2 losses in the Olympic tournament were against the Dream Team. Yes, he was the best player on that team and on most of the National teams he played for.
Kukoc has two Olympic silver medals. He has a FIBA World Championship gold from 1990 (that tournament did award MVP and Kukoc won it). He has two more Euro Championship golds from 1989 and 1991.
Kukoc's FIBA career absolutely rivals Manu's.
Manu currently falls between Antawn Jamison and Richard Jefferson on the hall of fame probablility list at basketball-reference.com.
Can't argue with that. I hereby retract my earlier statement.
That sure sounds an awlful lot Like Phil Jackson's comments on the Spurs championship in 99 needing an asterisk put alongside their le because of the shortened season that year. Pretty lame IMO. An championship, or a Gold Medal is still quite an accomplishment, no matter how you win, or who the compe ion is.
Drazen Petrovic, 27 years old and in his prime, was on that 1992 Croatian team.
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