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wow okay!
I don't care who starts the game between TP/Manu. I think what is more important is how to manage both their minutes to keep them fresh for closing out the games. To me, Manu is a better closer than TP and that might be the reason I think we need him to come off the bench. Hopefully, we are fortunate enough to have a healthy TP back, plus a recent performance plays of Hill and RJ will be carried over into the POs.
A lot of people seem to forget that games in the POs will be played harder and more pressured. I am very happy to see Manu being old Manu again, but we can't forget that we still need TP being old TP to win a championship (yes, I am still hoping.)
My point is I don't care who will start the game, either TP, Manu, or Hill. We all make assumptions based on our chemistry theory. A lot of people, including me, have complained about Pop this year. At the end, I still trust Pop's decisions, especially he is the one being closer to all the players and the team practices than we are. Well, I think I would just wait and see. GSG!
wow okay!
Lick my taint, ducks.
This team is [insert infinity symbol] better with Tony coming of the bench and rolling out a perimter starting lineup of Hill, Manu, and Jefferson.
But do you guys think Pop will actually even consider bringing TP off the bench come playoff time? I could see him doing it when Parker first returns to ease him back in, but I'd be stunned if Pop decides to make Tony come off the bench full time during the playoffs.
It's definitely intriguing.
I agree. It makes ZEEEERRRROOOO sense to put in Parker with essentially no time to experiment once he comes back.
It's do or die time when he comes back. If Popavich starts Parker, I am completely off the Pop bandwagon and open to anyone coming in to replace him. Because that would be yet another mind boggling stupid move by him in the last three years.
I don't think he will do it, or I hope he won't.
I say you keep the current lineup, and use Tony as the new Manu.
Have him come in with Bonner, so theres a shooter out there for his collapse of the defense with his penetration.
Boy won't that be hilarious if we see Pop doing crazy lineup with the one or two regular games we have once Tony comes back? Can you imagine something so stupid?
I was actually the guy who came up with the trade. So what? According to Poppy himself “There's a whole lot of talk that goes on between all 30 teams, and as we all know, come trade deadline, very little ever happens. So I wouldn't hold my breath or anything like that.” So a fan made a trade proposal on a message board. Get over it.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s...n_a_trade.html
Your point was TP and Manu can't play together because we waste Manu talent doing that, why bringing Jeff and Hill on the conversation. Your TP/Manu argument failed you don't win a ring with two guys who don't fit with each other playing them together 30 mn a game.
RJ and Hill aside, it's been 3 years now since the spurs won squat, maybe it's time to admit it's not working?
Yes I have no problem with that even if I think we should play Manu and TP the most we can.
Great, but there is a reason Manu has been in a 6th man role most of his career, and that's because he's more effective with the ball in his hands as a playmaker. Pairing him with Parker takes the ball out of his hands. Simple logic really.
When TP was on the floor before his injury the spurs were just fine playing well. Jeff was passive because he was passive, he played well with TP and like without him.
Not sure what games you were watching but I didn't see any improvement in Jefferson's game until Popovich put him in the 2nd unit.
Regarding the Defense Hill stepped up the last 3 games, before that he was just awful. Parker has always defended well in the PO.
Parker has sucked defensively for awhile now, in the reg season and playoffs. Hill is 3X the defensive player of Parker.
Your like a stubborn old ing goat. Worse even. Who the f--- cares what used to work last decade? The proof is already in the pudding. The Manu/Hill/Jefferson lineup is proving itself superior to any lineup with Parker in it, just look at the how the team is playing since the change.
parker for biedrins, you're saying you're not a tp hater
I don't get your point. We won squat because TP and Manu play too minutes together or play together ? We won squat because of a lot of reason: manu injuries, our supporting cast (mason thomas ime bonner.. Just to remind that last year our second best rebounder in the mavs serie was tony parker)....
both spend more time playing together than alone. Of course playing Manu in the second unit gives him more touches, the objective is also to have a strong scond unit that makes the difference.
My point is jefferson had great games with TP and awful game w/o him. If he sucked it was his fault.
Parker stepped up his defense since the ASG, he was playing good D before his injury. Parker has always played good D in the POs it's not even debatable. Hill has more upside than parker defensively no doubt but he was struggling before the two last games on D, now he is adjusting his game to find a good balance between O and D. I hope he will keep this intensity during the POs.
Don't know if it has been said yet, but why not start Parker and Manu and let Manu run the offense? Manu is the best point on this team and TP is really an undersized 2. With Hill playing well, move him to the bench to run the second unit and see what you get out of a starting five of
PG: Manu
SG: Parker
SF: Jefferson
PF: Duncan
C: McDyess
Because Jefferson plays much better with Manu than with Parker, and Manu plays much better without Parker than with him.
Parker goes into a 'me and Timmy' mode almost immediately.
The only way this could change is if Pop called all the plays from the sideline and called plays specifically for Manu and Jefferson. Otherwise, neither of them get the ball enough (Manu) or in the right places (Jefferson).
With respect to those who have said that the championship teams had Ginobili and Parker on the floor at the same time...that was different...Pop called all the plays then.
As good as Hill has been playing, he was shut down in the second half by Artest and better overall team defense, and he was a non-factor in that half. that wouldn't have happened with TP. i think Hill can reach a where he's reliable and finds a way to score when he wants to, but right now TP is the more effective player at that. he was an MVP candidate last year.
the lineup that will scare teams the most is:
TP
Manu
RJ
Dice
TD
Bench
Hill
RMJ (the one with confidence)
Blair
Bonner
i'm still worried about how are bigs will matchup with LA's, but the thing with the first lineup is it's a great penetrating lineup that can cause them to pick up fouls. and a less aggressive frontcourt for LA would be key.
i just say put the most talent in there, and let them figure it out. TP has been sitting out this whole time, but he's also (i hope) been observing while doing so the things that are making this team go. i'm confident he'll adapt his game to it. he won't have a lot of time to do it, but he's had plenty of time to understand this team from an outsiders prespective.
yeah put tony in manu's old spot off the bench. the way hill is playing he should be the starter with manu once tp gets back bc tony can be that spark off the bench that manu used to be
Parker should start.
3 pages of people buying into this horse ? Wow
LMAO, last decade, so long ago? So lame, did you come up with this "last decade" debate while playing at recess today? But Pop does have a dilemma on his hands on how best to utilize Parker. The Manu, Hill, and Jefferson have been playing well together, but its not like Parker is some scrub that forgot how to play and the Spurs were playing well with Parker, before Parker went down with his hand injury. And where did you come up with this stubborn goat crap? My projected lineup is based on Ginoboli's ability to thrive in the 6th man role, and Parker being use to being in the starting lineup. The bottom line is, I'm rooting for whatever lineup produces results. Whether thats Parker starting, or coming off the bench.
Recall to last year when the Spurs were playing 2 on 5, with only Parker and Duncan.
This alone ought to permeate the thought that Parker play at least 30 minutes per game.
We know Mason is no good in the playoffs. He can only produce if the rest of the team is going well and threes fall into his lap. The same goes for Bonner, although Bonner seems improved a bit.
Hill didn't do much last year but is way improved.
The rest of our rotation is all new from last year; Manu, Bogans, Dice, Blair, Jefferson.
Overall, this team is much better than last year. Duncan was injured last year as well. This year his numbers have gone down but whatever the reason he is still douing better than last year at this time.
Since Manu came to the starting lineup, we are not trailing teams or playing catch-up (at least, most of the time we are close or ahead). I like that. When Manu was in the bench, our starting lineup didn't have enough power to stay in the game. That's a fact. We don't have the same bench now, sometimes we lose leads couse of that or the games get closer than they should -like Boston- but Manu gets back and makes the plays to put them way down again.
I'd rather make others teams play catch-up than us.
Parker is a top 3 NBA point guard that you guys want to bring off the bench?
Seriously?
What the ?
For George ing Hill?
I jumped directly to the last page hoping to see a post that would sum up this thread so I wouldn't have to read all of it.
Thank you!
Hill is becoming really overrated here.
If RJ ends up starting with TP he will still get plenty of time with manu and you can still balance it out where he gets most his minutes with Manu on the floor. it isnt that big of a deal. but parker should start and Manu should go back to the bench IMO. mainly because we know that there wont be any complications and it will be a smooth transition since manu is so used to being the 6th man.
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