No. Not to your satisfaction.
It was a rather obvious troll post.
Any inference is certainly debatable, I'll stick with mine.
Do you have an example for the Arizona law yet?
And?
Does that mean you are going to answer my questions now?
I'll demonstrate.
Will you give me an example of the Arizona law in action?
Nice to see you admit you are wrong.
Look up Sheriff Joe. He says he has been doing it for years. But the law does not go into effect for about 90 days. I'll let you know sometime after.
Anyway...
No, just the ones they have on their watch lists.
Faisal Shahzad on Homeland Security List Since 1999
Depends on of which "system" you speak.
If you're talking about the Homeland Security System, built after September 11, 2001, and designed to detect and prevent terrorist attacks -- before they happen, it couldn't have failed more miserably.
If you're talking about a system of law enforcement techniques used to identify, locate, capture, and detain the perpetrator of a crime, I've seen criminals caught a lot faster than in three days and with a whole lot less forensic evidence than was provided by this piece of jihadi trash and using a whole lot less sophisticated tools than these investigators had at their disposal.
Did it succeed? Well, he is in custody. But, that's more because of his failure than any "system" working.
Unless you're only 500,000 miles into a journey of 600,000 miles and you bought a car that was advertised to last a million miles.
Did that car fail? Absollutely. Are you lucky it lasted that long? Not if you're in the middle of Death Valley on July 15th, when it happens.
We got lucky. If that bomb had detonated, Janet Incompitano would still be trying to fit this into her right-wing, militia, tea bagger narrative and the Islamic terrorist that caused it would be back with his family in Pakistan.
MSNBC's Contessa Brewer sure was:
MSNBC's Contessa Brewer 'Frustrated' That Times Square Bomber Is a Muslim
[For the record, mogrovejo wasn't asking me if I was disappointed, (I wasn't, I was relieved); mogrovejo was asking Nbadan if he was disappointed. I merely showed an example of someone who is clearly disappointed the terrorist is a Muslim and not some right-wing, militia, tea bagger.]
Wishful thinking?
If not, you should thank St. Jude for prayers answered. No?
LE worked. It's obvious you don't like to give it any credit publicly, but LE did its job. They got the guy. (Allegedly.)
How so? I'm just, as emphatically as I'm able, trying to make the point that the "system" did not work. It failed. Period.
Failing to recognize that only ensures future failure.
I don't pray to saints; and, yes, I have prayed to God that the terrorists will fail to hit us again. With the exception of Fort Hood, we've been pretty fortunate.
It's bad enough that everyone else says tea-bagger all the time.
Why do you do it, Yoni?
That's not the system that failed.
Investigators did a great job. A job made much easier by the terrorist's incompetence.
Do you believe it would have been solved in 72 hours if the bomb had detonated?
Do you believe we would be talking about a failure of law enforcement if the bomb had detonated?
The fact is, the failure of Homeland Security to prevent this act is no less appalling and miserable because the bomb didn't detonate. Their failure is only mitigated by the fact the bomb didn't detonate.
Chicken or the egg. Who started it winehole?
It's the euphemism of this administration.
Book: Obama Calls Tea Party 'Tea-Bagger'
Just want to make sure those to whom I'm speaking understand what I'm saying.
Fair enough point about the Watch list, Yoni. Thanks for the clarification.
I would say that the three day turnaround done by the police was a good job, but I'm not familiar with how average case time turnaround in these situations.
I would like to state that I think a goal of "no terrorist attacks" is likely impossible. It's like eliminating drug use... Too hard to do.
Given the facts in this case, I will agree that DHS functions are still not maximized effectively. I'm not surprised though. The collect so much info I would be amazed if there wasn't some analysis paralysis.
It really depends on available evidence and witnesses.
The SUV was a treasure trove of valuable evidence, starting with the VIN, that led them to the seller, that led them to the e-mail and phone number -- at that point, it was a matter of crunching data.
And, the post-crime investigation isn't the failure about which I was speaking.
I was speaking loosely not doctrinally, but perhaps my cliche' was poorly chosen.
The reference to the saint was gratuitous, unworthy of being a general example by reason of its pedigree. Cliched, yet too provincial. Too identifiably RC. I only meant to draw attention to the apparent favorability of the outcome in relation to plausibly related prayers, not to RC per se.
How so?
If this is what failure is like, I'm not sure I ever want to see success.
To a certain extent, I agree.
If it turned out this jihadi wasn't on anyone's radar, I wouldn't be as critical. But, we're learning this is a guy they should have been watching very closely.
Cool.
A terrorist -- on the DHS watch list -- was able to park a car bomb in Times Square and, but for his own incompetence, detonate it.
That's a massive failure of the "system" to detect and prevent terrorist plots.
Success would have had him in custody before he pulled into Times Square.
Prevention is not a realistic standard for LE, no matter how loudly and how long people clamor for it.
100% prevention is not even a reasonable expectation, despite the fact that 1% failure rate can be catastrophic in real and political terms. JMO. They're gonna get us again. Live with that. LE ain't perfeck. Sometimes it's nobody's fault but the perp.
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Obama wants to give credit to a vendor, citizen of our country for the reason the bomb didn't go off. What a joke.
We're obviously talking about two different en ies.
Janet Incompitano is the Secretary of Homeland Security; and agency that recently went through a massive overhaul with the expressed purpose of preventing terrorist attacks.
That they were aware of this Jihadi as far back as 1999; That he spent 6 months in Pakistan on his U. S. Passport (something DHS tracks); That he went there with family and returned alone; should have put him at the top of their "watch-this- er" list.
It didn't. That's a failure. A failure that almost cost us dearly.
Like I said, if there wasn't all this KNOWN information pointing at this guy and screaming, "I'm an Islamic Terrorist, you'd better watch me," I'd be less critical.
That's one lucky street vendor. Him and everyone else in about a 1,000 foot radius around that SUV. If that bomb had functioned as intended, he would have the distinction of being the fatality closest to the detonation.
Unfortunately, that may have put him at the top of a suspects list...after they were able to identify his remains using DNA.
In a more perfect (counterfactual) world, things would be different.
The fact that the suspected perp is in custody and giving evidence against himself (in the routine course of ordinary LE) wouldn't represent such a tragic failure then, right?
Obama and his lefty views want voters to think we are safe and no racist group wants to hurt us except repugs and independents. That's 60-70 percent of the people! Our own citizens. That's ed up!
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