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    There is something fundamentally un-American about requiring a select group of the country's (legal!) citizens to be subject to unequal treatment under the law. Why should I, a U.S. citizen of Mexican ancestry, suffer different treatment under the law than any other U.S. citizen? What level of "illegal" appearance rises to the level of "reasonable su ion"? And how does making that determination not play into people's subjective (and occasionally ignorant) biases?

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    There is something fundamentally un-American about requiring a select group of the country's (legal!) citizens to be subject to unequal treatment under the law. Why should I, a U.S. citizen of Mexican ancestry, suffer different treatment under the law than any other U.S. citizen? What level of "illegal" appearance rises to the level of "reasonable su ion"? And how does making that determination not play into people's subjective (and occasionally ignorant) biases?
    Well, one great thing about America is that we're a federation of states, so if you don't like it, then move out of Arizona! Problem solved!

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    I'm not from Arizona.

    America is amazing for many reasons beyond her federalism, and she's at her best when she adheres to and reaffirms the fundamental principles that make her so amazing. I think that's what Pop comment was all about.

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    Amare Stoudemire: We support the Latin commuity. They are apart of the 12 tribes of Israel. It 1 Nation under YAH (god). Let’s come together. Shalom !! 1love

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    Obama gives shout out to ‘Los Suns’ of Phoenix

    President Barack Obama has given a shout-out to NBA’s Phoenix Suns, who are wearing jerseys that say “Los Suns” to honor the Latino community, diversity and the state of Arizona.

    Obama made the remarks at the beginning of a Cinco de Mayo celebration in the Rose Garden.

    The president said: “I know that a lot of you would rather be watching tonight’s game - the Spurs against ‘Los Suns’ from Phoenix.”

    The line drew applause from the crowd.

    Arizona adopted a hard-line immigration law that cracks down on illegal immigrants. Civil rights groups say it could lead to racial profiling. Obama has called it “misguided.”

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    Pop is an educated man, of course he's not a conservative.

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    There is something fundamentally un-American about requiring a select group of the country's (legal!) citizens to be subject to unequal treatment under the law. Why should I, a U.S. citizen of Mexican ancestry, suffer different treatment under the law than any other U.S. citizen? What level of "illegal" appearance rises to the level of "reasonable su ion"? And how does making that determination not play into people's subjective (and occasionally ignorant) biases?
    You're not subject to unequal treatment. Let's say you get pulled over for speeding - you show your driver's license and that's it. You can't get hassled just because you look hispanic - the law strictly FORBIDS racial profiling - why can't people understand that?

    It seems a lot of people are getting all bent out of shape about something they THINK MIGHT happen - how about waiting to see how the law gets implemented and see if there are any abuses BEFORE you go screaming racism?

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    Obama gives shout out to ‘Los Suns’ of Phoenix

    President Barack Obama has given a shout-out to NBA’s Phoenix Suns, who are wearing jerseys that say “Los Suns” to honor the Latino community, diversity and the state of Arizona.

    Obama made the remarks at the beginning of a Cinco de Mayo celebration in the Rose Garden.

    The president said: “I know that a lot of you would rather be watching tonight’s game - the Spurs against ‘Los Suns’ from Phoenix.”

    The line drew applause from the crowd.

    Arizona adopted a hard-line immigration law that cracks down on illegal immigrants. Civil rights groups say it could lead to racial profiling. Obama has called it “misguided.”
    Uh-oh... Los Suns are in trouble now - Barry has yet to back a winning team!

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    Obama gives shout out to ‘Los Suns’ of Phoenix

    President Barack Obama has given a shout-out to NBA’s Phoenix Suns, who are wearing jerseys that say “Los Suns” to honor the Latino community, diversity and the state of Arizona.

    Obama made the remarks at the beginning of a Cinco de Mayo celebration in the Rose Garden.

    The president said: “I know that a lot of you would rather be watching tonight’s game - the Spurs against ‘Los Suns’ from Phoenix.”

    The line drew applause from the crowd.

    Arizona adopted a hard-line immigration law that cracks down on illegal immigrants. Civil rights groups say it could lead to racial profiling. Obama has called it “misguided.”
    Good to hear. His backing of the Democrat in the Massachusetts Senate Race didn't go well, so I hope he's wrong again!

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    Pop is an educated man, of course he's not a conservative.

    lol @ thinking political affiliation has anything to do with education.

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    Even if I was in 100% agreement with Sarver's position, I would disagree with him using the game to make a political statement. Phil Jackson was dead on with his comment:

    “I don’t think teams should get involved in the political stuff.... Where we stand as basketball teams, we should let that kind of play out and let the political end of that go where it’s going to go.”

    Actors and musicians have access to a large microphone, because of their celebrity status. When they decide to use it to become politicians, then I have to treat them like any other politician - vote for them, or vote against them. The only way I have of voting for those people is with my financial support. And I damned sure withhold that from politicians I don't agree with.

    If Sarver had lined up on the other side of this, and made some comment about supporting the new law in Arizona, there would be calls for boycotts from the same people applauding him now. I wouldn't be surprised if Phil Jackson agrees with Sarver in principle. But at least he is smart enough to know that they are just a bunch of guys who put a ball through a ring.

    This is no different than Barkley using his microphone to rail on the head of Augusta National for commenting about Tiger Woods. (Barkley said he was acting all "Uncle Tom"... idiot.) I don't turn the show on any more - screw him. If Charles Barkley wants to be a politician, he needs to run for office and pay for commercials, just like every other politician.

    I was always told not to about a problem unless I was proposing a solution. If Sarver thinks this law is "misguided", then maybe he has a solution for the 2,000 illegal entries into the country every single day, 365 days a year, for the last 15 years. He's insulated from the problems that it brings, just like the Hollywood celebs (and Pop), by a of a lot of money. But our immigration laws, and our sovereignty over our own border, aren't invalidated by the fact that most of the people breaking the law happen to speak Spanish. If enforcing the law is illegal, then get rid of the law AND the border.

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    Good to hear. His backing of the Democrat in the Massachusetts Senate Race didn't go well, so I hope he's wrong again!
    He also backed two Democrat governor races and they both lost. Will he stop all government aid to San Antonio if we beat his favorite political basketball team "Los Suns"

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    Ah, the 'ole Saul Alinsky tactic of attacking your opponent. When you can't beat them on principle, just attack their reputation!
    The Northeast is the highest educated area of the country and liberal.

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    PHOENIX - MAY 05: Taylor Griffin #32 of the Phoenix Suns warms up before Game Two of the Western Conference Semifinals of the 2010 NBA Playoffs against the San Antonio Spurs at US Airways Center on May 5, 2010 in Phoenix, Arizona. The team is wearing "Los Suns" jerseys on Cinco de Mayo in response to an anti-immigration law recently passed in Arizona.


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    You're not subject to unequal treatment. Let's say you get pulled over for speeding - you show your driver's license and that's it. You can't get hassled just because you look hispanic - the law strictly FORBIDS racial profiling - why can't people understand that?

    It seems a lot of people are getting all bent out of shape about something they THINK MIGHT happen - how about waiting to see how the law gets implemented and see if there are any abuses BEFORE you go screaming racism?
    Oh OK the law "strictly" forbids racial profiling. That's awesome! How then is a police officer (if he pulls me over) supposed to make the judgement about whether I look "illegal" or not?

    Not to mention a driver's license is NOT dispositive of U.S. citizenship. As a result U.S. born latinos, unlike other U.S. citizens, would be required to carry proof of their U.S. citizenship because of the fear that they may look "illegal". What an administrative and political nightmare! There is a reason why the Phoenix City police department has come out AGAINST this legislation.

    Your speeding example is erroneous and not analogous at all, and your "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality is equally alarming. Before posting, I encourage you to read the AZ legislation carefully, and maybe bone up on some U.S. cons utional law.

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