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Manu is not playing like in March, we're in trouble.
Bonner played 22 to Mahinmi's 18 minutes... he got three less points, but had two fewer TOs, one less foul, and out-rebounded Mahinmi 6-2. Based on this, Mahinmi is the better option? C'mon, dude.
Manu is not playing like in March, we're in trouble.
Again, this is the guy Spurs picked over Scola . . .-Matt Bonner was most responsible for losing the game for the Spurs. Point blank. With Frye going 5-for-6 from three-point range, San Antonio's bench bigman shooter responded by missing all four of his shots. That's a 15-point swing the Spurs simply can't overcome. You can now etch it in stone that Bonner is a playoff choker. He doesn't want to shoot open shots and he misses the ones he does take. He's now 10-for-32 from the field in the playoffs and 5-for-20 on threes. What makes it even worse is virtually all of those shots are without a soul around him. It's just a damn shame.
The Suns bench is winning this series so far.
We had such a hard time on the pick n roll last night cause Nash and Stoudemire were able to rest half of the fourth quarter. While Tim and Tony had been out there almost the entire fourth. Fresh legs>>>dead legs.
Also, the defensive IQ on this team is just not there. Hill, Jefferson, Bonner & Blair just don't have what it takes to stay mentally focused on the defensive side the whole time they're on the court.
This is something our previous role players in our championship runs excelled at.
i think you guys are too harsh on RJ, he peform better than expectation. Everyone has its own role, you don't expect RJ to be manu. He did fullfil his role of attacking the rim, especially in the first half, he settle for J lately though. Yet that is what we could ask for.
on the other hand, you wouldn't expect manu to play like RJ, would you? bricking again and again. rentlessly fouling 3 point shooter.
i would say the most disappointing player is manu. forcing too much off and def.
we have no expectation on bonner . no idea why pop still stick with him .
for the spacing issue, you will not have it if you have no decent slashing type player, suns just play passing lane. they have offensive weapons all over the court, hard for us to defend, and if you stick and defend the 3 premier shooter, less players are in the box to rebound, and suns have another 2nd chance
The Suns have a really deep good bench who play as a unit. They put five guys out there who play like kamikazis. And they are big and fast with Frye at 6'11, Amundson at 6'9" and Richardson at 6'6'. How do we counter?
We Need a fast athletic big man who might be able to play on the perimeter against their big 3 point shooter like Channing Frye, maybe block some shots, rebound and can make some shots? We need a better matchup outside. Tim can't do it cause he's too slow these days and they exploit him.
Hmmm. I don't see anyone on our bench who fills the bill. Wait, there is one guy, hidden down there at the end---but he has a history of getting in foul trouble and doesn't have much experience. But could I afford to give up six fouls on Frye if I can chase him off the perimeter? I wouldn't try it in ordinary cir stances But when you're in extreme danger on these matchups???. . . nah, better to be safe and stay with Bonner who works hard, but really can't defend any of these guys most of the time. He might make a shot. Safe choice.
Do we need a big guard, who's a defense specialist and might be able to defend against Richardson? Garrett Temple has gotten some burn and He might even surprise with his shooting like he did in brief appearances during the regular season? Hairston would at least be active as on defense. Nah, let's hang with Bogans and the Washington Whizzer. Vets rule!
Do I think this would work? Who knows. We'll never see Pop take a chance when he has some proven veteran failures to draw upon.
LOL pointing at Pop now for playing him... if Pop wouldn't play him, you would be crying like a little and blaming Pop for not playing him...
And who do you think was playing in the interior when they got all those offensive rebounds? Who do you think was mostly on Frye?
I'm glad Matty will be gone in the offseason, and I hope Lakerfan follows him out of here.
they are playing better than we are to this point in the series. they play good defense and shoot the three really well so i give them all the credit.
Yep. And that pretty much sums it up. Its not that Manu and TP weren't trying to drive the ball, its just ever single time they did the Suns were literally collasping the lane each and every time. SO until Jefferson, Bonner, and whoever can start making them pay by hitting those outside shots we are in for a world of trouble this series. I mean c'mon, we shoud know from past series with these guys that Nash and Amare has that p@r virtually down to perfection. I don't know why we looked so lost last night when they started doing it again.
They way you guys feel about Bonner is the way the Suns feel about their starter Jarron Collins. He's a waste of space, has no offensive game, a walking foul, and doesn't even play good defense. I understand the frustration.
I'm sure they will have the confidence.
I'm sure it will be somewhere between Game 1's effort and Game 2's.
The numerous replays showed that play was goaltending, and not a block. Good effort though.
I didn't say Pop shouldn't play him, I said Pop needs to pull him when it's apparent that he isn't hitting the 3.
"all those offensive rebounds" were not the fault of Bonner, and Bonner was only on Frye for one of his 3s I think.
If there was one bright side to this game, it was:
R. Mason DNP - Coach's Decision
What for? So when Dice misses a jumper you start asking for Bonner?
If you want to nitpick, it was mostly Blair and Bonner in that fatal 2nd quarter. You can't run away from the reality that he can't rebound the ball and that he got outworked on the boards by Dudley. As far as the threes, watch the game again.
Start TP, bogans, RJ, timmy and dice.
Give Dice 30 mn
Ask TP to be our go to go guy, he needs at least 20 FGAs
Force TP shoot the 3s
Play Bonner or Blair only with Tim or Dice
Getting out-worked and being unable to rebound are different things. The threes were a sore spot, but it serves us right for settling for jumpers (usually before rebounders were in place). Not a giant Bonner fan, but there aren't many options, and I refuse to buy Mahinmi can do anything for this team based on empirical data.
7/15/2009 ...On the need to package Mason/Bonner for a better quality bench player...
MaNu4Tres
Yeah we have a great quan y of depth behind Duncan and McDyess and Manu and Jefferson but it's the quality of those players that will make or break Duncan's 5th championship aspirations.
huh? you're questioning why Bonner should be pulled if he isn't hitting the 3?
I'll have to double check, but I don't think Bonner was so conveniently guarding dudley whenever dudley was getting rebounds and Frye whenever Frye was hitting 3's, as much as you want that to be the case
also, Bonner's +/- was 0, which means, in case you don't know, that the team didn't get outscored while he was on the floor, hmm
Man, if the Suns can outboard us like this, just imagine how badly the lake show would do it.
No, I'm questioning your short term memory...
You need to watch the games. Go ahead and double-check and get back to me.I'll have to double check, but I don't think Bonner was so conveniently guarding dudley whenever dudley was getting rebounds and Frye whenever Frye was hitting 3's, as much as you want that to be the case
Considering Bonner scored zero points and he clearly got scored on, that +/- has very little to do with his performance. That's exactly why +/- is a BS stat for gauging individual performances.
And if +/- is your thing, Bonner has yet to post an actual plus for the series and is -7 overall.
I know ST is it it's typical post loss meltdown mode, but I don't think you guys are in terrible shape. Sure, you lost twice in a row. But they were both road games. And the Spurs were, at times, still compe ive in both and even had opportunities to win the games. I fully expect a different vibe once the series gets to San Antonio. I think Pop will use the home court atmosphere as an opportunity to insert Parker back into the starting rotation and increase Dice's role. I'd expect the Spurs reserves (even Bonner!) to outplay the Suns reserves aswell. And I don't think we'll see the rebounding disparity the first 2 games had.
I know fans are reactionary and the Monday morning quarterbacking is going to happen. So go ahead and exhaust your frustrations. But I don't see any reason why the Spurs won't win the next 2. Keep the faith Spurs fans.
The voice of reason. Thanks, man
I thought we played fine games. Unfortunately, the pressure mounts now, and while I trust our big 3 and Hill/Dice to play better at home, there's absolutely no hope that anybody else will. If the previous series is any indication, those guys are the ones that are going to have to carry the load if we want to make this a series again.
well since it's just your word against mine, I'd prefer to have you double check, I'm pretty sure of what I saw. and pretty sure your delusional hatred of Bonner skewed what you thought you saw.
you were saying that fatal second quarter and Bonner cost us the game, but if the 8 point margin of victory occurred when Bonner was not on the court... hmm...
You don't get to pick what reality is. But thanks for chickening out and making my point.
They cut down an 11 point deficit when he was out there, mostly by scoring inside, that is, his area of operation.
Again, you need to put down the Excel spreadsheet and watch the games.
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