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If he wasn't the #1 against the Pistons then he logically couldn't be the #1 for the 3 previous rings. How could he be best Laker ever if by that logic he has been the #1 for 1 championship?
The NBA le is a team accomplishment. One player can not win it. Having talent doesn't alway win les. Having players who know their roles and perform them usually do. The Kobe and Jordan were huge contributors in their teams success but its a team sport. Its a win no matter how you look at it!
Malone and Grant (who was the backup center to Shaq that season) being injured might have had something to do with it that season. just saying,..
If he wasn't the #1 against the Pistons then he logically couldn't be the #1 for the 3 previous rings. How could he be best Laker ever if by that logic he has been the #1 for 1 championship?
so chose 1 then. My point is, your logic shows the negatives of both sides. He won cuz of Gasol, oh and I'll blame him for the loss with the Pistons when he had Shaq, which is totally biased.
I gave him credit for the championship with Gasol. I placed the blame for the loss to the Pistons. If he wasn't the go to guy in that series and therefore didn't deserve the blame for that loss how does he get credit as the go to guy when they won the three previous? With that logic how can he be up there with Jordan when Jordan was clearly the man for all 6 les?
someone who thinks he is better then Jordan needs answer those questions for you. Im just here to clarify your thought process.
The question was whether he was the best Laker ever. Someone mentioned second all time behind Jordan. Do you think he is the best Laker ever?
I think if he wins this championship, and based on the amount of years with the Lakers and also the records he set as a Laker, then he would have a slight edge over Magic.
Who gives a about eclipsing legacies. Even if you hate him appreciate what he brings to the court because it is not every day you see someone of his caliber.
Personally all I care about is winning the ring and imo when it is all said and done kobe will be recognized for his accomplishments. I don't care if he is recognized as the best player ever, best laker, top 10, top 20 (any useless le). Determining who is the best to lace them up and giving rankings is near impossible because everyone has their own opinion.
Enjoy it while it lasts even if you are a hater because he is a damn good player.
Kobe is a great player and there is probably no player in today's game that I would fear more than Kobe with the ball in his hands and the game on the line. The topic though is his place in Laker lore. I find it interesting that a guy that chased out one of the top five Lakers of all time and with him arguably more championships. A guy that was accused of rape and then when the franchise stood by him demanded a trade because there wasn't enough around him could be considered the greatest for a franchise as storied as yours.
And what I am saying is who gives a flying who is the best. Some will say magic, some will say kobe, some will say shaq and so on. Everyone is en led to their own opinion. But some folks flip the out/get their panties in a bunch when folks give their own opinion which is comical imo.
And the whole shaq thing is over played imo. Everything worked out fine/for the best as it stands now.
I think its impotant to most fans of any sports team. You want the les but the history and legacy is important especially when the franchise has had the success to build it. I think as a Laker fan that cares about that you ride Kobe for as many les as he can get you and then treat him with the same respect he gave Laker fan when things weren't so good. I don't know how much loyalty should count in determining something like this but in my mind it should count for something.
Kome didn't win without a quality big man so no...
Kobe took a in Duncan's mouth last decade. A le will this year will only widen the gap between the two.
The real question is, has Bynum's great playoff stats eclipsed Shaq's legacy?
He will be stuck at 4 les like Timmy
*post-gasol success
More like Shaq will be stuck at 4 les like Timmy
Okay we'll seeMore like Shaq will be stuck at 4 les like Timmy
After all,
Anything is possibleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
No, the Lakers doing that time just weren't that good nor that bad. They were in transition. As far as the Bulls before Jordan retired that Rockets teams probably would have beaten the Bulls. People forget Jordan retiring helped the Bulls bring in the players they brought in. The first 3 peat team was different from the 1994-1995 team let alone the 1996 team. The Knicks would have probably knocked the Bulls out or the Pacers without those players who were brought in and learned the system. I'm not convinced the first 3peat Bulls would have won 4 straight, Jordan or not.
By doing what? I wish the Spurs could have brought in the same caliper of players to play with Duncan alone with Manu and Tony. Kobe has 3 star quality Big men, Bynum (when healthy), Gasol and Odom. Plus he has Artest or Ariza, a proven vet in Fisher. Spurs keep rotating players (of lower quality)to plug the whole of those who were traded, retired or opted to leave.
Spurs made a mistake of waiting 3 years too late to spend money and still brought the WRONG player in. When spending money for Rose they should have spent the money on Jackson and retained him but because of the Rose deal they didn't spend the money on Jackson...smh.
Anyway they both have 4 rings and Duncan hasn't lost a Finals appearance and for 10 years his teams have been in the hunt or winning it, not Kobe for 10 years. Where's this dump?
And so the circle jerk never ends with this topic. Geez.
How many times has it been touched that all 'greats" were actually part of a tandem/whole unit? How many times? Damn dudes!
No one player in the history of this game does it all or has ever done it all or for that matter; will ever do it all. Son of gun man.
whether it be tandems, duos, trios, the big 3, the big 4, whatever groupings you want to use, it all comes down to all pieces equaling a whole. I've never understood why this simple concept is hard to grasp.
Kobes great. Magic was great. Shaq was great. Duncan is great. Jordan was great and so on and so on.
Stick any of these great guys with scrubs, I mean genuine certifiable, barely making d-league scrubs, and you'll produce absolutely nothing. Oh, you'll get the occassional first round or with any luck, second round playoff run but that's about it.
No one player in this game is God like. They all needed someone else.
Never liked when people argued this.By doing what? I wish the Spurs could have brought in the same caliper of players to play with Duncan alone with Manu and Tony. Kobe has 3 star quality Big men, Bynum (when healthy), Gasol and Odom. Plus he has Artest or Ariza, a proven vet in Fisher. Spurs keep rotating players (of lower quality)to plug the whole of those who were traded, retired or opted to leave.
Spurs made a mistake of waiting 3 years too late to spend money and still brought the WRONG player in. When spending money for Rose they should have spent the money on Jackson and retained him but because of the Rose deal they didn't spend the money on Jackson...smh.
Anyway they both have 4 rings and Duncan hasn't lost a Finals appearance and for 10 years his teams have been in the hunt or winning it, not Kobe for 10 years. Where's this dump?
Making it to the NBA Finals and losing is better than not making it to the NBA Finals at all, right?
No, it's not. Losing in the Finals equalizes you with the other 28 losers.
And that's just the way it is.
You're freaking nuts. Shaq doesn't win without kobe. It was Shaq 1.a and kobe 1.b. The only reason shag had the better numbers was he was feed the ball more for three quarters. Once the fourth came, kobe took over. Kobe was the single reason they would eliminate the Spurs. Robinson and TD would hold Shaq, but until Bowen the Spurs could not stop Kobe.
Gasol is not the leading man on the team, its Kobe's team and you're just hating. I can't stand the Lakers, but its stupid not to give Kobe his due.
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