Be a General Manager of an NBA Team (2010-2011)

[JamStone]

Your team is in the Eastern Conference, you should know that Holliday will be a top 5 point in about 3 or 4 years.

In all honesty I am not looking for Chris Paul at the moment.

Jrue is a fine young player with tons of potential. You can spin your yarn on anyone else. Potential and promise carries more weight in the draft. Call him the next Dwyane Wade if you like. You're not going to get a proven top 5 players in the league for a kid that just averaged 8 ppg and 4 apg his rookie campaign. I don't care if CP3 broke both his legs, your inferences are silly.

Lol, , you aren't even willing to part with the #2 pick.

You were never serious to begin with. Let's be real.

@Jamstone

willing to talk about either:
-your #11 pick. (how about the Hornets financial struggles?)
-Darren Collison

(and yes, I would also like to talk about Chris Paul, but I know that I need to offer Roy to start talk and I'm not yet ready for that)

Interestingly enough, the Blazers are one team that could interest me in making a CP3 deal without you having to give up Brandon Roy. You probably would have to give up Aldridge and a couple of the young talented players on your roster and be willing to take a couple bad contracts, but it won't require you to put Roy on the block to start negotiations for CP3.

[mountainballer]

Interestingly enough, the Blazers are one team that could interest me in making a CP3 deal without you having to give up Brandon Roy. You probably would have to give up Aldridge and a couple of the young talented players on your roster and be willing to take a couple bad contracts, but it won't require you to put Roy on the block to start negotiations for CP3.

that's an answer I was hoping to get.
let me think about it.
I will work on several packages (big package for CP3 and smaller package for Collison and/or the #11 pick) and submit them ASP.

Edit: not sure, but LMA would be a base year player. complicated numbers game. guess we would need some help for that trade.

[Muser]

Why would Portland want Paul?

[mountainballer]

Why would Portland want Paul?

are you their GM or I?

[urunobili]

Aldridge > Roy... you can get ballhog 2's everywhere... greater than average 4 with All star potential ain't easy to find...

[ajballer4]

Dammit. There goes my super-duper secret draft plan to shore up the center position. Guess I'll have to be really shocking then...

Hmmmmm...I should check the guy who got the Spurs post history to see if he liked Maggette to the Spurs last year...

Not so much. Golden state is in bad shape and getting worse

[Mel_13]

Edit: not sure, but LMA would be a base year player. complicated numbers game. guess we would need some help for that trade.

BYC situations give me a headache, but LMA is a BYC player. Worse for you is that the Poison Pill Provision applies if you trade him before July 8th. As a BYC player he counts 5.8M going out and 10.7M coming in. With the PPP, he counts 5.8M going out and 14M coming in.

[JamStone]

BYC situations give me a headache, but LMA is a BYC player. Worse for you is that the Poison Pill Provision applies if you trade him before July 8th. As a BYC player he counts 5.8M going out and 10.7M coming in. With the PPP, he counts 5.8M going out and 14M coming in.

The BYC players is something I'm not very well versed in. I'd need help in that area if I'm dealing with one in a trade proposal. If anyone can give some insight, share a link or list of players it applies to, that would be helpful.

I know it's for players in the first few months of a new contract but I don't know what the cut-off point is after they sign their new contract and I don't know how the numbers work exactly.

[JamStone]

Goodness no. I'm not having any conversations in this thread, only in PMs.

Ok. But I only responded in the thread because it was brought up in the thread.

There was no PM to respond to.

[Mel_13]

The BYC players is something I'm not very well versed in. I'd need help in that area if I'm dealing with one in a trade proposal. If anyone can give some insight, share a link or list of players it applies to, that would be helpful.

I know it's for players in the first few months of a new contract but I don't know what the cut-off point is after they sign their new contract and I don't know how the numbers work exactly.

This the definitive reference for all things CBA (the player's union website has a link to it). BYC and PPP are discussed at question # 75.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

[JamStone]

This the definitive reference for all things CBA (the player's union website has a link to it). BYC and PPP are discussed at question # 75.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

Thanks. I actually already have that site bookmarked but haven't gone into detail on most of it. Guess I should have referred to that first.

BTW, seems like the BYC applies to players for 6 months after they sign the contract or the following June 30th, whichever comes later. So, if mountainballer wanted to make a deal with Aldridge, he would no longer be a BYC player after June 30. If that helps make a potential trade work, it seems that waiting a couple weeks would be a smarter thing to do.

[Mel_13]

Thanks. I actually already have that site bookmarked but haven't gone into detail on most of it. Guess I should have referred to that first.

BTW, seems like the BYC applies to players for 6 months after they sign the contract or the following June 30th, whichever comes later. So, if mountainballer wanted to make a deal with Aldridge, he would no longer be a BYC player after June 30. If that helps make a potential trade work, it seems that waiting a couple weeks would be a smarter thing to do.

That's for players that reached free agency and signed new deals. LMA and Roy fall under this part of Coon's explanation:

For Larry Bird or Early Bird players, the player's BYC begins on the date he signs his contract. For extended rookie scale contracts, the player's BYC begins on the day after the July Moratorium which precedes the first season of the extension. For example, if an extension of a rookie scale contract is signed on 10/30/05, his BYC begins on 7/12/06, because the first season of the extension is 2006-07. A player's BYC goes away if the team falls below the salary cap, the player signs with a different team, or the player is traded.

If a team trades an extended rookie between the date his extension is signed and the date it takes effect, his "trade value" for the receiving team is the average of the salaries in the last year of the scale contract and each year of the extension. This is called the poison pill provision. The sending team uses the player's actual salary when calculating their outgoing salary. They use the current-year maximum salary in place of the (unknown) maximum salary for a future season, if necessary.

Here is an example of a poison pill calculation: Carmelo Anthony earns $4,694,041 in 2006-07, the final year of his rookie scale contract. Prior to October 31, 2006 he signed a five year extension (bringing the total seasons to six) for the maximum salary, with the maximum 10.5% raises. Anthony's actual salary will not be determined until July 2007, when the maximum salary amounts for 2007-08 are set. During the 2006-07 season the 2006-07 maximum is assumed for the 2007-08 season ($13,762,775), and the salary in subsequent seasons is based on this amount ($15,070,550, $16,378,325 and $17,686,100, respectively). If Anthony is traded during the 2006-07 season, then his outgoing salary from the Nuggets' perspective is his actual salary of $4,694,041. His incoming salary from the other team's perspective would be $13,518,358 -- the average of his 2006-07 salary and the assumed salaries in the extension.

So, LMA and Roy are covered by the PPP from now until July 8th and then they are BYC players until June 30, 2011.

[JamStone]

Oh ok. Thanks. Lol. Damn complicated CBA rules with too much language.

Need a cliff notes version on that joint.

[Mel_13]

Oh ok. Thanks. Lol. Damn complicated CBA rules with too much language.

Need a cliff notes version on that joint.

That is the Cliff notes version. You want the link to the actual CBA?

[JamStone]

No thanks. My head is already hurting from trying to figure things out. I'm not quite clear on how "matching salaries" in a trade scenerio work when the contract value is different at each end. SMH. I'll try to read more thoroughly to understand.

What I should have said was... need a cliff notes version on the cliff notes version. Lol.

[Dex]

Anybody who wants to send a Gasol collusion trade my way, I'm open to suggestions.

[Blackjack]

Yo Chieflion,

As most of the teams have already been picked up, I'm currently contemplating another team, or to pm some of the other posters to join forces....however...

I just got an idea, lemme know if it goes against the grain of what you're trying to accomplish with this.

I wanna pick the Dallas Mavericks, and COMPLETELY destroy the team. I mean like letting Dirk walk, and trading Kidd for Dan Gadzuric.

the thing I'm worried about is throwing off the balance of compe ion by doing something intentionally detrimental to get some laughs.

meh...

the more I think of it, the more I might just hold off on the mavs and start pm'ing other posters to join forces.

just wanted to let you know what I was thinking.

peeece.

Chieflion, I'm gonna need a ruling on this. The thought of joining forces with this individual and forming the first above board organized-crime, player-laundering venture is mighty tempting.

[Chieflion]

Update: Mr.Bottomtooth takes the Milwaukee Bucks. Vic Petro takes the Minnesota Timberwolves.

[Sisk]

I'm surprised the Pistons haven't been taken by a fan on this board.

[Blackjack]

Chieflion, I'm gonna need a ruling on this. The thought of joining forces with this individual and forming the first above board organized-crime, player-laundering venture is mighty tempting.

Update: Mr.Bottomtooth takes the Milwaukee Bucks. Vic Petro takes the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Ehhh-eehhmm . . .

Ruling?

[Chieflion]

Ehhh-eehhmm . . .

Ruling?

No Isiah Thomas in this game.

[Blackjack]

No fun.

[Mel_13]

No thanks. My head is already hurting from trying to figure things out. I'm not quite clear on how "matching salaries" in a trade scenerio work when the contract value is different at each end. SMH. I'll try to read more thoroughly to understand.

What I should have said was... need a cliff notes version on the cliff notes version. Lol.

Like I said, the BYC scenarios give me a headache, but I'll try to give a simple example. If you have two teams that are over the cap and they want to move a BYC player, a third team will generally be needed.

Team A has a BYC player who was paid 5M in 2009-10 and will begin a 5yr extension in 2010-11 starting at 10M. For Team A, this player will count 5M going out, and they will only be able to take back salary up to 125% of 5M plus 100K or 6.35M.

Now, if their trading partner is also over the cap, this presents a problem because the BYC player counts 10M coming in to Team B. Since, Team B is over the cap, they have to send out contracts that meet the 125% plus 100K rule. Even the smallest possible amount, around 7.9M, will be too much for Team A to take back.

So now you have Team C, that has 5M in cap space (a 5M trade exception should work as well).

So Team A sends the BYC player to Team B. (Counts 5M going out)

Team B send a 5M player to Team A (trade works for Team A and meets 5M of the 10M that the BYC player counted coming in to Team B)

Team B sends another 5M player to Team C (meeting the other 5M in outgoing salary that Team B had to send out while Team C absorbs the 5M with its cap space)

Team C sends something to Team B to meet the requirements of the CBA (protected 2016 second rounder or rights to a previous draft pick that will never come to the NBA).

Simple

[Chieflion]

Couple of housekeeping issues:

1. Why is the salary cap set at $54 million? The 2009-10 salary cap was $57.7 million. Now, I know there have been rumors and reports that several teams are losing money and that will force the NBA to lower the salary cap once again. But by $3.7 million? That's unrealistic, imo. That changes quite a lot of things, especially for teams under the cap. My team isn't btw, but I think it's an unfair restriction to teams that have quite a bit of cap space. For example, a team like the Nets who could possibly have enough cap space for two max contracts under what the real salary cap will have will only have enough for one max contract and another starting at around $10-11 million for the first year. Makes a drastic difference on their off season approach.

2. Are we actually going to hold an NBA draft as well?

3. For those who don't get into NBA capology too much, the shamsports site should probably help out quite a bit. It's a little better than the one on hoopshype because I think it's more accurate and up-to-date especially with the options on each contract, it offers more information on stuff like cap holds and the structure of each team's payroll, and has some better explanation of things like cap figures and free agent pay structure.

Link: http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...ries/index.jsp

1. I would change this when the real salary cap is announced. It is only temporary. Same goes for the MLE and LLE. That way, we would be able to make it fair for everyone.

2. Yes. We are going to hold an NBA draft, hopefully the day before draft night so we can come up with a Spurstalk version of a mock draft as well. After everything is confirmed, I will send a notification to all the participants to the thread we go to for the draft, what time it will be and most probably the chat room.

[L.I.T]

Not so much. Golden state is in bad shape and getting worse

Thanks for the insight. Guess I should have picked another team huh?