I think we need more security at the border, but mainly because of the drug trafficking. Othewise, I would be for tearing down the walls. People will find a way to get here regardless haw hard we make it, and we cannot afford to round them all up and deport all of them.
We need laws with teeth. Laws that will financially break and/or jail employers for knowingly hire those not legally authorized to work here. We need to require all social services check for the validity of being here before non-emergency services are rendered. this still won't completely stop illegal immigration, but it most certainly will put a dent in the financial burdens that local, state, and the federal government have.
How many people here think this will not solve most of the problem?
Do you have the credible sources for this?
I stated nothing as a fact. I was actually stating more information would be helpful. It's a shame you don't understand English. It's as if you are not from the US.
It's a shame when you want facts on a claim so blatantly obvious. To me, that's an indication of a room temperature IQ. Assuming you have a decent IQ, and I do think you do, that's means you are just being an asshole.
Yes, now they do. The whole point of this discussion is to change the conditions here in America so that they won't want to do that anymore. Have you been paying attention??People risks their own life to come here and you think you can legislate disincentives
Is that really the only "discincentive" you can think of? America has to be in "worst shape than the economy in mexico" ?
I gave you a few solutions earlier, did you not pay attention?
Our economy could be the best in the world. Just make it so the majority of illegals can't make a living here and share in it.
If we don't create laws to stop their desire to come, then as you said, "they risk their lives to come here"..... and who will pay for this expensive border security?
What about the Coast Guard too? You realize Mexicans have boats right? They can just cir vent the land border and just get on a boat near the border, go north, and land on Non-Border coastline in the Gulf of Mexico or the Californian Pacific coastline. Drug dealers already do this.
Do you see where your plan goes wrong? Who pays for all of this? and it's impossible to stop.
The only way is to continue to move forward with serious laws.
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Besides, it's not just illegals coming from Mexico, or across that border.
We have illegals from numerous nationalities. Mexicans are just the largest of the group, because of the shared border.
No, it means I want actual numbers, not something you or someone else pulled out of your ass. You are so busy being a pussy about the question I asked, you didn't notice that it had been answered (Thanks, ElNono. It's amazing that idiots like WC and MH and ducks and jack just can't say "I don't know where the actual numbers are") and I had moved on in the discussion. It's obvious you just want to keep ing about me.
Have at it, .
Can you provide the credible sources that will lead us to believe we need more information for a more complete picture? We already saw the Texas report. $1billion in losses.
No sources needed for a supposition. Do you think the presence of illegal workers lowers the price of food or housing or anything else that US citizens consume?
Idiot.
Wasn't it obvious I didn't know where to find the numbers, and wasn't about to waste my time on something to blatantly obvious.
My God... Must I say the words? I thought I only need that level of specificity for a 3 year old.
Yes, Thank-You ElNono.
My opinion is only marginally, if any.
I think the impact of illegal workers on those things may not affect our understanding of the bigger picture.
You believe it does. I would like credible sources of this, so that we can solve the question of whether or not it may provide us a better understanding of the bigger picture.
The actual number wasn't obvious. None of you had it. Why are you getting pissy about not having a number that wasn't obvious?
So you don't have any numbers for this either.
Why not? I noticed you didn't answer my question. I don't blame you.
No source needed. I know you can't understand any of this. Sorry.You believe it does. I would like credible sources of this, so that we can solve the question of whether or not it may provide us a better understanding of the bigger picture.
I answered your question. I think it will not give us a more complete picture. You think it will give us a more complete picture.
Why do you think it will give us a more complete picture of the situation?
great law, massive non-white immigration will be the death of this country
There was another question.
You didn't answer my question, yet I answered one of yours.
I will answer the second one, too. I think the impact of illegal aliens on food prices is irrelevant/not important.
Now answer mine...
Why do you think it will give us a more complete picture of the situation?
I answered one of your questions, then you didn't answer mine and asked another one.
I think there may be evidence that the labor of illegal immigrants lowers the prices of things like food and housing, maybe even substantially.Why do you think it will give us a more complete picture of the situation?
That is why I asked the question you did not answer and still refuse to answer.
I edited my post to answer your second question, but will repost it now in response to this post.
I think the impact of illegal aliens on food prices is irrelevant/not important.
Well, I think there may not be any evidence to that whatsoever.
How do you come to that conclusion?
You think there is no evidence that the labor of illegal workers lowers the prices of anything consumed by US citizens?Well, I think there may not be any evidence to that whatsoever.
I personally believe capitalism should be forced to adapt to a world without illegal workers, so whatever the effects are, if there are any in the first place, are irrelevant to me.
I think there may not be any evidence on that subject.
Do you believe there is evidence on this subject, that the labor of illegal workers lowers the prices of anything consumed by US citizens?
I have heard evidence from a Potato Grower in Idaho. He claims it costs him 3 cents a pound more to bring potatoes to market with legal help over illegal help.
Three cents. Is anyone not willing to pay that difference?
Fair enough. Theoretically, if illegal labor does lower prices for US consumers, how much more are you willing to pay for food and housing, for example? A rough percentage will do fine.
There could be.I think there may not be any evidence on that subject.
Do you believe there is evidence on this subject, that the labor of illegal workers lowers the prices of anything consumed by US citizens?
Do you have a link to that?
I'd like to see it.
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