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I agree with your assessment, but the reports from db.com and the Dallas Morning News did not put it in the context of "better fit." If they had worded their reports in the way you just did, I would have had no problem with that.
You must win now, at the end of Johnsons contract who gives a if he is washed up, so will dirk, Marion, jet, Kidd etc...this team can't worry about down the line. A team lead by roddy won't win a championship 5 years from now
I agree with your assessment, but the reports from db.com and the Dallas Morning News did not put it in the context of "better fit." If they had worded their reports in the way you just did, I would have had no problem with that.
I feel bad for my Maverick brothers. The only young piece they have is Roddy B. Everyone else is over 30, or about to turn 30.
Sometime today the #Cavs are expected to contact Brendan Haywood. There is a chance of a double sign-and-trade to Dallas with Shaq.
http://twitter.com/pdcavsinsider
Not straight up...not gonna happen....Shaq+JJ Hickson maybe
Yeah, JJ Hickson isn't going to the Mavericks...Not straight up...not gonna happen....Shaq+JJ Hickson maybe
It's amazing how overrated Hickson is. The guy is just an athletic role player that brings energy. That's it. Plus I don't see the Mavs trading Haywood for an old broken down Shaq that can't play big minutes anymore. Only way they even consider that is if Lebron is in the deal which isn't happening.
Then NO DEAL dummy....how is Morey's meeting with Bosh working for ya
So with Johnson off the market, the Mavs have officially struck out with all the top-tier FAs.
Bron, Wade aren't coming here, Bosh is a puss who doesn't want to come here, Phoenix would rather let Amare walk and take the cap space than deal him to Dallas. Mavs need to turn their attention to S'n'T targets with the DUST chip for guys who are already under contract.
Yeah, Cleveland has him overrated, which is why he won't be traded.
Going pretty good. How is the Mavs deal for LeBron and Joe Johnson going?Then NO DEAL dummy....how is Morey's meeting with Bosh working for ya
I feel bad for my fat Houston brothers haven their two most important players stuck in bodies of 60 year old grandmas
If Houston ends up getting Chris Bosh, I will lacerate my balls, film it, and post it all over ST
So what, Yao goes down and Bosh has to play center again and is pissed and this time in the west. crofl
That would suck. Go to New Jersey Chrissy!
I really like Joe Johnson, but contending for a championship or not, giving him a max deal is a bad idea. Only if it's a put you over the top move, and for the Mavs, it wouldn't be:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba,252877
It's never a good sign when, a full week before a player is set to put pen to paper to ink his most recent contract, that a good portion of the NBA community regards that contract as the worst it has ever seen.
Not the worst trade, nor the worst draft selection. And we're not talking about considering Joe Johnson's(notes) new contract with the Atlanta Hawks (as first reported by Adrian Wojnarowski) as the worst contract we've ever seen a few years into the deal, or a few years after it expires in retrospect.
We're feeling this way, right now. On July 1st, seven days before he even gets to sign the deal. Worst contract, ever.
It's that bad. Six years, and $119 million dollars for a player regarded as a second option at best on a great team. At best. Johnson will be 29 years of age to start this contract, 35 to end it, so Atlanta will get his one peak season (unless last year's run of over 21 points and a combined 9.5 rebounds/assists was the best we've seen), and then the downfall.
At about $20 million a year.
Bear in mind that Johnson achieved those stats by absolutely dominating the ball for the Hawks. Just owning it, for large stretches, forcing either a potential score or a potential assist to be added to his ledger just about every other time down court. All while playing huge minutes, 38 per game in fact; which was actually the lowest mark we've seen from Johnson since his second year in the league.
It's just an astonishing deal, on so many levels. A good part of me thinks that - because his stats are so inflated by his ball dominance and big minutes - that Johnson will be worth about half of his yearly salary next year (next year!), so imagine how far he'll taper off by 2016? Johnson isn't the most athletic player we've seen, he isn't tricky enough with the ball to get to the line much (a shocking 3.5 free throw attempts per game, criminal for someone who has the ball so much, and for so long), and this isn't someone who will age well.
On top of that, didn't we watch him age quite considerably in the playoffs last season? Johnson averaged 11.8 points per game in the second round, shooting a terrifying 29.5 percent along the way. He seemed nonplussed as ever as his Hawks fell out of the second round again, and for the second time in five years, he's chosen big offseason money over a chance at a championship.
The Hawks? They're the big boys, here. They're supposed to be smarter than this, and in spite of all the talk about how this team had no choice but to stick with the status quo and see what happened? Bollocks.
This man could be nearly half of your salary cap in a few years. We have no idea how the new collective bargaining agreement will shake out, but even under the ridiculous payroll runs of the last six or seven years, handing nearly $120 million to a 29-year old who has yet to do anything more meaningful than dribble a lot and shoot a lot and look real tired in January? It boggles the mind.
Yes, you're backed into a corner, and you can't afford to let your best offensive player go without any proper sign-and-trade compensation. I understand that, but signing above what you originally hoped to pay only goes so far. There has to be a cutoff price, at some point, and paying Joe Johnson around $20 million in 2015-16 has to be that point. , paying Joe Johnson $20 million in 2011-12 has to be that point.
This is just an absurd contract that, even if the Hawks ownership is banking on selling the team midway through Johnson's deal as has been rumored, cannot be justified or argued-for in any meaningful way.
There's just no way around it. Joe is a nice player who might get to shoot himself into yet another All-Star berth next season. If he's lucky, the year after that, even. Give it to him. Let the Hawks roll to the second round again, earning the ownership a few more gate receipts as they take yet another first round series to seven games.
Doesn't matter. As it stands, this is the worst free agent contract I have ever seen. Roll over Eddy Curry(notes), tell Jim McIlvaine the news.
I agree with Dwyer - Hawks would've been better off S'n'T him to another team if he wouldn't accept less than the max.
If this was 2004-2007 I think we would all agree that Dallas does this in a heartbeat
I feel bad for my Dallas brother's having ten straight 50-win seasons, with nothing to show for it.
Agree with you Findog. Joe Johnson does not deserve the max. Atlanta is dumb if they sign him for the max. He deserves a salary like what David Lee will get.
Why can't I be an NBA GM? If I'm the Hawks, I offer JJ what I think he's worth. When he says " that, I've got a max offer from the Knicks," I sign him to the max and then trade him to NY for a package that includes David Lee. Let that contract be an albatross around New York's necks. Hawks are unbelievably stupid.
And this, my friends, is a perfect example of why the Mavs and dumbass Cuban are perennial losers
Sometimes I wonder what's stopping the regular Joe Shmoe who follows the NBA closely from being a GM. When I look at the Suns giving Channing Frye a 5 year deal, my first thought is, "OK, I know that deal sucks and I would never offer it. Why can't I be a GM. Half these guys do way dumber stuff than I ever would."
I feel bad for my Houston brothers not being alive that long ass time ago when their team won les, not being able to see that themselves. They're just as ringless as Mavs fans. And their current team sucks more too.
WTF are you talking about, Burrito Breath? Dallas isn't the team that just maxed out a 29 year old second option for six years.
lol James Anderson Pippen
I feel bad for my Houston brothers that cry like little gots when In-N-Out decides Garland sucks less than Houston.
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