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People in the military are just normal people who choose to serve. Your not innately superior in any way. But you deserve respect for your service.
No kidding. If anyone actually checks the statistics, the average military person is smarter than the average civilian.
People in the military are just normal people who choose to serve. Your not innately superior in any way. But you deserve respect for your service.
read about the profit made from war. read about war profitteers. Every civilization/generation has had them. read about the Bush family, all the way back to Prescott Bush, and his attempt to unseat FDR. Ask questions like: what is it that makes Texas so recession proof?
draw the correlations surrounding GB Sr., from big oil, to the CIA, to the industrial military complex. Find a good explanation of how greed leads to sending troops into harms way. As my vietnam veteran friend Dale says, "If you want to know why we fight, follow the money."
this aint as liberal/lefty as you think. dont be afraid to challene tradition. If you refuse to question, youll never arrive at the truth. and Im not even saying your truth will be the same as mine.
I wouldn't say they were unjust, I would say CIC's got scared about public opinion, or were just plain stupid. Johnson I think fit both those.
The problem with Viet-Nam, was politicians couldn't follow through with what they started. We could have easily won that war. That's really the bottom line with it and other wars. Politicians are spineless.
Would you say Grenada was unjust?
What about Desert Storm?
What makes you believe these statements you come up with?
The military had standards. High school or GED. Test score requirements. Because of this, like it or not, the average military person has a better ap ude than the average civilian.
I dont know anything about grenada. And when desert storm kicked off, I was sitting in a high school classroom thinking we were going in to help defend a tiny nation that was about to be overrun by Saddam.
Now I see it as us defending our interests in the middle easts...the continued flow of oil.
I have to say here, without oil we dry up and blow away. Our military comes to a halt. Our economy implodes. We will be sitting ducks for our economic rivals the world over, if they survive the death of the greatest nation on earth. That is why we are at war. it is so ing vital, and our government, then and now, knows that we must do whatever it takes to keep it flowing. So in reality, the cause is still a noble one, a cause to propogate our great nation.
But I dont like not being told the truth. And we are not told the truth because if people stopped believing that terrorism is the reason we are in the middle east, they might start clamouring for alternative energy sources. And the lies that keep us tied to middle eastern resources are the lies that need to be exposed.
military training is a huge advantage. but anytime you point to your own group as superior, your 1. giving your own too much credit, and 2. not giving enough credit to the citizens of our great nation
No Sherlock. That doesn't mean that's the purpose.
Your point? If I recall, Prescott even had... I forget, was it communist ties?
As for Bush 41 and Bush 43, you have no case. If you wish to start spouting off with the Saudi's, you should learn the facts that all presidents associated with them, and democrats did more than republicans. What's disturbing is when prominent democrat senators associate with them like John Kerry. What diplomatic role does he have, or are they friends?
So ing what? Do you always see bogeymen where they don't exist?
There are tjhose who will take advantage of situations for profit. That's not necessarily a bad thing. To make such statements without relevant facts is no better than slander.
Except, you are already biased with an assumed truth that many people simply don't share. You should maintain an open mind and consider the possibility you are wrong.
That is so obvious.
P.S.... I served 11 years, and during the downing of KAL007, Grenada, and Desert Storm.
You did a great service to this country by serving, and Your en led to your opinion.
I have done a ton of self study, I have refused to buy the SEE THROUGH, OBVIOUS, ARROGANT lies that have been propogated the republican party, and they have led me to spit out the party I once identified with.
I have seen the light, Wild Cobra. You cant turn back my clock. Unless you shine light on some facts that I haven't already encountered and dealt with, my mind is indeed made up.
You could say that about our founding fathers who were making their fortunes from smuggling.
Also that same kind of thing could make assumptions that the cia through reagan, bush and clinton(mena, ar) created the crack epidemic.
knowing your history is the only way to prevent the unfortunate parts from happening again. do the study... read the books. read books by folks on both sides of the aisle. some explanations rise with credibility, some accounts stink like rotten trash. but from the contradiction you can find the truth.
although we always had a built in defense of the oil in the middle east. It was more of keeping it out of people worse than OPEC. Saddam had already invaded Saudia Arabia. That would have been SA, Kuwait, Iraq, and probably UAE and Bagram next. All in the hands of a brutal dictator. I don't know a better description for "just war"
prescott Bush was one of seven directors of the Union Banking Corporation, an investment bank controlled by the Thyssen family.
Thyssen was a Hitler supporter until 38, and went against him. WHen that happened, he was kicked out of the nazi party. He spent over three years in concentration camp. this is the closest thing anyone has on bush and the nazis. the ubc was taken over by fdr.
prescott bush supported civil rights legislation and the establishment of the peace corp. he was an early supporter of the united negro college fund, his father was physically involved on the underground railroad.
What about the lies from the democrats?
You obviously pick and choose what to scrutinize, keeping you closed minded.
I say bull about seeing the light. Perhaps if you would also point out democratic faults, you would be believable. However, you partisanship ruins all credibility you wish us to assume.
Im not even a democrat. Im a libertarian. As for not scrutinizing dems, How is this for you...The two party is a bull lie that is killing our country. The choice between repubs and dems is no choice at all.
How can you explain Obama and Cheney having worked for the same organization prior to taking office? for two people who have such a different agenda, such different policies, supposedly, how is it that they both work with the same organization?
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I dont buy all the conspiracy theories, but just the fact that these two butter their bread from the same stick is enough to make me believe that WE, the American people are being hearded like sheep.
And I dont dislike every conservative platform. I am for fiscal conservatism. I am for 2nd amendment rights. I think the govt botches anything it tries to accomplish, generally speaking. welfare should be limited to a finite term.
I also grew up as a boy spending my days discovering nature on my grandmothers old place, and as a result I naturally lean towards environmental conservation. The Iraq war was based on lies and deciet. We need to find cleaner ways to produce energy for my two childrens sake. If not to fend off global warming then to have alternatives in place before the price of oil rises enough to drive a knife into our economic heart. And term limits are an absolute necessity. And as much as I think govt is worthless for getting the job done, I distrust big corps even more.
I guess you could call me a hybrid.
Maybe true, but you wear tin hats.
No, they accomplish what they want. More and more control.
We probably agree.
I've has experience on a 160 acre farm.
No it wasn't. It was based on the best intel we had, and even with the little that was proved to be flawed, I agree in the two war fronts.
Nuclear is the best option we have. There is no other large source we can replace fossil fuels with.
You have bought into that lie.
Global warming is real, but mostly natural. The biggest impact we have is not from CO2, but from black carbon on snow and ice.
No, an informed public is. Why do term limits matter if we keep falling for the same lies as voters?
I have worked for large corporations. Like anyone, they will do what they can within the law. Also remember, most these corporations have shares of stock out there that common people own, and are in retirement accounts. A corporation is expected to do what is best for the stock prices.
No, you're still an idiot.
Wha? ....you mean there are trillions 'saved' in the social security trust fund?
...granted that money isn't just sitting around gathering no interest and losing value, in fact, treasury bonds and bills are among the most secure investments in the world because they are backed by the power of the U.S. govt...
....so, we have trillions of dollars earning interest that is put back into the national economy by the US govt....that money isn't going to China, Great Britain, or anywhere else...
...and when it comes to pay you back your social security, do you think the govt will pay back the trust fund? No, they'll just print new money to pay you back...
So does debt matter? Yes, but mainly because of the opportunity costs of money and because during periods of inflation, the govt is restricted as to the amount of money it can print, but last I checked this was not a period of runaway inflation, but of deflation....the prescription? Print money and create incentives, such as rebates and tax credits that create demand and help put people back to work...
I wear baseball hats. when I wear hats.
Gov cant find its ass with both hands. Control by who? you buy the two party line, who is trying to snatch control the republicans or democrats?
then you can appreciate a love for nature.
how can you explain the ty response in Afghanistan then? We were turning Iraq upside down and shaking the oil from her pockets, simultaneously letting Osama find a place to hide. The gov knew it was Al Quieda that hit us, yet the Bush admin went after Saddam. Even if your from the John Wayne school of kick-ass first ask questions later, thats horse-hockey all day every day. Intelligence my ass. They didnt give a rats ass about getting Osama. We never got him and we never will. If your ex-military you know that was inexcusable. we should have had his head on a platter for everyone in America to see.
Maybe your too good of a soldier, and you just dont believe in questioning the top brass.
I agree, but we need to keep developing new tech. Breakthroughs happen but you have to keep "pounding the rock." Nuclear will result in an entirely new set of problems down the line. Waste sites leach into the water, people get sick. Just ask anyone who lives around the tri-cities and spends much time in the Columbia over there. Ask about the rashes and the sickness. Everybody around there knows about the wierd going on with that river. I lived in Portland for four years, and made friends around there.
conveniently left out the rising costs of oil. The demand for oil is going through the roof thanks to Asia. The supply has already peaked, and is headed down. This convergence has experts predicting $10 gas. Global warming or not, we need to implent operation: cover your ass, like yesterday.
career politicians. why have em? I prefer statesmen. And the bottom line is an informed voter public is a pipe dream.
Corps will do anything inside the law, and anything outside if they wont get caught, or if they grease the wheels and wont get punished anyway. this is what keeps CEOs in their seat, by keeping shareholders happy.
But the short term rise in stock prices has a way of being offset, when the pirates on wall st gouge, and when big oil trashes our gulf...all in the name of max profits and happy shareholders. The whole while, its every man woman and child who stands to lose when our economy collapses, or when there are no fish left in the gulf for the next 30-50 years, or when 11 lives are lost aboard the deep water horizon
your en led to your opinion.
Parker, you don't get it and think like a liberal. You want to treat the symptoms, and not the root problems.
You don't sound like a libertarian....
http://www.lp.org/platform
As much as I dislike neocons controlling the republican party and defining what conservatism is I still don't turn to libertarians, progressives, or any other bad ideology. Eventually traditional conservatives will take control of the party...I hope.
"traditional conservatives will take control of the party"
have they ever done so since WWII?
Post WWII as in the Cold War as in the thing that brought neocons to power. We're only 25 years post cold war, it takes time for people to wake up especially when there is a non stop party going on. Next time the republican mantra is "We need to spread democracy with our freedom bombs" I think you'll see more conservatives say " you". Now you lefties need to see you have your own Democrat neocons to worry about.
I'll point out that I did say "Hope", you gotta have hope boutons. Life sucks without it.
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