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  1. #101
    none shall pass SomeCallMeTim's Avatar
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    Well then Gilbert should be ecstatic, right?
    Where's a facepalm emoticon when I need one?

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    Harlem Heat or whoever the f he is, is going to be the most annoying poster on this board very soon guys just warning yall.
    Short lived. He promised to vanish if his new bandwagon team doesn't win it all this year!

  3. #103
    $200 cash 4>0rings's Avatar
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    i worked with a guy years ago... he marches in to the presidents office and asks to talk about his future. He was a good worker, smart, and always got his job dpne. He was upset about others making more and doing less. He says, you need to pay me what you are paying them. I could get a lot more done and i could step it up even more and really show you what I am worth.

    The boss wrote some things down and then handed him an envelope and directed him to payroll. The guy struts his way to payroll and hands the docs over to the clerk. After 20 mins or so the clerk comes back and asks for the guys work badge. He hands it over thinking my new le will look good. Clerk comes back with a severence check, a letter, and an escort to the door.

    In the letter....

    I cannot have anyone working for me that does not give me 100% all the time. You admitted that you have more to give our company if you were compensated better. I wish you all the luck in finding a future employer.
    Wow that manager is an idiot if he pays people more to do less and fires people who do more for less.

  4. #104
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
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    I wonder what Danny Ferry thinks of all this...

  5. #105
    Veteran cobbler's Avatar
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    Wow that manager is an idiot if he pays people more to do less and fires people who do more for less.
    Apparently the wisdom is lost on you. Go figure.

  6. #106
    Believe.
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    GTFO with that bull . I don't have a dog in the race, but I'm tired of the "LeBron betrayed us" bull . Why does the fact that he's from Ohio have to mean that LeBron is forever chained to Cleveland, no matter how ty that team is? LeBron has stuck by that team for 6 seasons. He's repeatedly heard the team swear up and down that they are trying to put pieces together to win a ring only to be bounced out of the playoffs earlier and earlier each year.

    Your time is up, Gilbert. You failed to deliver a championship-caliber team despite repeated bites at the apple. It's not fair to vilify LeBron for going to a team that promises to deliver what you couldn't: A quality surrounding cast.
    that's a very valid point !!!
    he is more upset ticket sales are leaving with lebron...
    them s is prob like 7 bucks now...just enough to pay employees salary

  7. #107
    Believe.
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    i worked with a guy years ago... he marches in to the presidents office and asks to talk about his future. He was a good worker, smart, and always got his job dpne. He was upset about others making more and doing less. He says, you need to pay me what you are paying them. I could get a lot more done and i could step it up even more and really show you what I am worth.

    The boss wrote some things down and then handed him an envelope and directed him to payroll. The guy struts his way to payroll and hands the docs over to the clerk. After 20 mins or so the clerk comes back and asks for the guys work badge. He hands it over thinking my new le will look good. Clerk comes back with a severence check, a letter, and an escort to the door.

    In the letter....

    I cannot have anyone working for me that does not give me 100% all the time. You admitted that you have more to give our company if you were compensated better. I wish you all the luck in finding a future employer.
    So we agree, yes? Gilbert promising to do more to win now that he's been spurned means that he was holding back with LeBron and therefore that LeBron is right to go elsewhere if winning a championship is his top priority.

  8. #108
    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
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    What's Gilbert gonna do now? Sign Richard Jefferson? All of the big FA are signed up at this point.

  9. #109
    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    Maybe he'll make another snap decision and climb aboard that brand new, gleaming San Antonio Heat bandwagon, El.

  10. #110
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    You really think Gilbert cares all that much about the people of Cleveland. He cares more about himself and his millions. I would guess he does not hear "no" very often, either.

    It is hard to exhibit righteous indignation when you are missing the righteous part.

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    Maybe he'll make another snap decision and climb aboard that brand new, gleaming San Antonio Heat bandwagon, El.
    I really stopped trying to decode whatever the you're trying to say a long time ago. As if it weren't enough having ducks onboard. I mostly skip right past your posts these days, so excuse me if I don't respond anything else from you.

  12. #112
    Motivation for me... Stringer_Bell's Avatar
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    It's true, Lebron QUIT on Cleveland in the last game of the season, when he knew it was probably the last game he'd ever play in that jersey. Even before the season, he talked up his free agency being the biggest thing ever then went silent when it became obvious how much of a man-child he was.

    I don't blame Cleveland for being angry, Lebron's showed he couldn't do it himself and there is nothing to witness. There never was, they just propped up a coward that wanted to be a leader...and he never delivered. I thoroughly expected him to try and prove the haters wrong and say "Jordan had Chi, Kobe's got LA, but I have Clevevand and we all got work to do." But he ran like more of a than when Orlando bent him over that one series, and now the Heat gotta build a team from scratch while learning to share the ball on a team without a system. He wants rings, but he's probably kicked himself out of the "best player" debate for the time being.

  13. #113
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    So when does the Heat play in Cleavland???
    Christmas!

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    I would also lmao if cleveland won one before miami.

    But bron-bron DID stab the cavaliers in the back. If you think of how players have dealt with this stuff before, the definitely did.

    They typically would stay with the home team until it became time to move on because of age/etc. The caveliers had the best record in basketball last year and bron-bron bails on them to suck on diva's whatever.

    It's a pretty pathetic state of affairs imo.

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    Kobe attempted to leave the Lakers because the team Kupchak and Buss surrounded him with was absolute trash. He literally had no help whatsoever, and honestly I don't disagree with him wanting to go elsewhere. I don't agree with his public tirade, but it was within his right to question whether LA was truly serious about winning when they surrounded him with Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, etc.

    Lebron's teams have had the best record in the league for the last two seasons. Don't act like CLE didn't try to surround him with good players, they most certainly did and went over the cap to do so. Lebron simply bailed because he didn't want the pressure.

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    So it's alright for Kobe to on the organization and try to leave because he felt like he didn't have a good roster, but it's not alright for Lebron to go somewhere where he feels like he's going to win?..

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    So it's alright for Kobe to on the organization and try to leave because he felt like he didn't have a good roster, but it's not alright for Lebron to go somewhere where he feels like he's going to win?..
    Lebron COULD have won if he stayed in Cleveland. He just didn't want all the pressure of having to be the main man to carry the load. In Miami, he doesn't have that pressure.

    In '04 Kobe could have easily signed wherever the he wanted. He purposefully signed with LAL because he wanted to be THE MAN to carry the Lakers back to another le. Not because he wanted the easy way out to more rings.

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    How could he have won in Cleveland?..his supporting cast is horribly put together for playoff basketball, and they don't have any cap room to get better..how exactly was this going to happen?..

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    lol comic sans being a TT on twitter

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    Kobe attempted to leave the Lakers because the team Kupchak and Buss surrounded him with was absolute trash. He literally had no help whatsoever, and honestly I don't disagree with him wanting to go elsewhere. I don't agree with his public tirade, but it was within his right to question whether LA was truly serious about winning when they surrounded him with Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, etc.

    Lebron's teams have had the best record in the league for the last two seasons. Don't act like CLE didn't try to surround him with good players, they most certainly did and went over the cap to do so. Lebron simply bailed because he didn't want the pressure.
    Lebron's teams have had the best record in the league the past two years primarily because of Lebron.

    His supporting cast is decent on paper but has fallen way short of expectations come post-season. Mo Williams was historically terrible against Orlando in '09, and Jamison, the player who was supposed to put Cleveland over the top, was a no show against Boston.

    For all the consternation about Lebron quitting against the Celtics, he was far and away the best player for the Cavs in that series.

  21. #121
    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    Lebron COULD have won if he stayed in Cleveland. He just didn't want all the pressure of having to be the main man to carry the load. In Miami, he doesn't have that pressure.
    Dazed is right: Cleveland didn't fail James. James failed Cleveland. James has proven he is incapable of being the man. Wade can now take that mantle from him without rubbing James' nose in it.

    Media will not castigate James for this failure, nor cite the power exchange. It will just take place quietly.

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    So when does the Heat play in Cleavland???
    I was thinking maybe valentines day.

  23. #123
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    Dazed is right: Cleveland didn't fail James. James failed Cleveland. James has proven he is incapable of being the man. Wade can now take that mantle from him without rubbing James' nose in it.

    Media will not castigate James for this failure, nor cite the power exchange. It will just take place quietly.
    How are you supposed to be "the man" when Mo Williams is the second best player on your team, and before that, Zyldrunas Ilgauskas?

    You Laker fans constantly excuse Kobe for not delivering in the Smush era, blaming his lack of help, but conveniently change your standards when it comes to Lebron.

    In all his time with the Cavs, Lebron had exactly two legitimate teams that were capable of winning a le, and not many people in '09 believed that they could go all the way with Mo Williams as his second option. Last season's team was more than capable and just didn't get the job done. It happens. But let's not sit here and act like Cleveland has gone to the far ends of the earth to surround James with the best talent possible.

    James in no way "failed" Cleveland. What have they really done for him roster wise during his tenure there?

  24. #124
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    Dan Gilbert may be "telling it like it is," but his open letter is unproductive and short sighted. He should have at least owned that he enabled the Lebron Ego Monster as much as anybody.

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    How are you supposed to be "the man" when Mo Williams is the second best player on your team, and before that, Zyldrunas Ilgauskas?

    You Laker fans constantly excuse Kobe for not delivering in the Smush era, blaming his lack of help, but conveniently change your standards when it comes to Lebron.

    In all his time with the Cavs, Lebron had exactly two legitimate teams that were capable of winning a le, and not many people in '09 believed that they could go all the way with Mo Williams as his second option. Last season's team was more than capable and just didn't get the job done. It happens. But let's not sit here and act like Cleveland has gone to the far ends of the earth to surround James with the best talent possible.

    James is no way "failed" Cleveland. What have they really done for him roster wise during his tenure there?
    James quit when he was resisted. They didn't go after Williams, or, the others. They cut out James, isolated him, made him say "no mas" and he coughed it up immediately. Wanted no part of it.

    That's failing Cleveland. That isn't Cleveland failing him.

    Wade will take that failure from him.

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