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Difficult but not impossible.
State drivers license offices already require birth certificate and SS# for a drivers license. Just require the same for State ID's for non-drivers.
Then all one parent has to do is show state ID.
So now county health offices would have to verify the immigration status of both parents of every child born in the state?
Seems impractical if not impossible.
Difficult but not impossible.
State drivers license offices already require birth certificate and SS# for a drivers license. Just require the same for State ID's for non-drivers.
Then all one parent has to do is show state ID.
Or just lie and say the absent father is a citizen.
How would anyone be able to prove the mother wrong?
No problem. we'll give you the birth certificate when he shows us his drivers license.
Ehh, yeah, this is actually a stumbling block.
One night stands etc
If the mom ain't legal, isn't married, and doesn't know who the dad is I don't see it as a problem. Baby gets a non-citizen Birth Certificate.
I guess, I could still go along with it, but it makes me feel very uncomfortable. There will (regularly) be babies whose birthright it is to be an american citizen who will be denied their citizenship.
I would rather find another way if possible.
So, until then, that baby doesn't exist?
What if the father is dead?
Show us the dead father's driver's license.
Impractical.
why not just get any guy with a drivers license?
Because then he has responsibilities.
I do think that there has to be another way, though. As I said, I would be uncomfortable with this setup.
sure, if she presses him. then she'd be foiled by her own truth.
Not if he's dead. I could see a whole cottage industry springing up running a registry of recently deceased male citizens.
All I could come up with right now Chumper, do you have any other ideas which don't reward people for breaking the law?
They would be doing the right thing down in Texas.
from wiki :
During discussion of whether to pass the 14th Amendment, there was debate over granting citizenship to anyone born in the United States. The author of the 14th Amendment Citizenship Clause, Senator Jacob M. Howard, stated, in reference to the Amendment, "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the family of ambassadors, or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."[4]
Chump, that why they don't write laws in one sentence posts on message boards. If it was ever done (and I'm pretty sure it won't be) they would address all the little pissant issues you keep bringing up.
This too is true, I was thinking more brainstorming than a final draft of a bill.
Eh, the reward comes mainly after the kid turns 21, and even then that reward is citizenship for more family members so they can pay taxes and make real wages.
I would consider facile and complete cir vention of the law as more than a little pissant issue. Don't get mad because it was so easy to make a mockery of the proposed law that quickly.
and access services that they haven't paid into yet.
Such as?
That's true of any naturalized citizen.
Are you against all naturalization?
Wait, I thought interpreting the Cons ution was being an ACTIVIST JUDGE! or something.
Given the origins of the bill, the debates had during the Amendment going over that very same idea (anchor babies), and the fact that it still passed, I would say the courts would be nearly unanimous against changing how one acquires citizenship.
I'm pretty sure that SCOTUS might not be ok with that. "Guess what orphans! You're no longer Americans!"
Wait, wait. Since when do you trust politicians to be able to a) correctly write a law and b) prevent unintended consequences?
If you read earlier in this thread, you'd see how that was actually meant to be applied. Thanks for playing.
good point. Silly me...
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