Noah for Melo?

[JamStone]

So who on the Bulls guards Pau Gasol when they play LA?

Well since Pau s all over Boozer, it would have to be Noah. But that means Boozer guards Bynum and gets dunked on every other play or has to chase Odom all over the court.

"Perfect" situation, if you ask me.

[TD 21]

The term "undersized" can refer to height, length, weight, mass, bulk, strength. Just because you think it typically refers to height doesn't mean that's the case.

Joakim Noah is a good defender. He hustles. And he does have good height and length for a center. But he is absolutely undersized due to bulk, mass, and strength. He is a solid defender at center in today's NBA because the NBA is so devoid of quality centers. Look at the last two playoffs and you'll see where Noah gets exposed as he had to defend Perkins/KG and then an old Shaq. His defensive rating shot up from his regular season defensive rating. For reference, Dirk Nowitzki had a better defensive rating than Joakim in the playoffs last season. Noah still can get manhandled because he's light in the ass and simply not strong enough.

He's like Marcus Camby. Tall, long, above average athletically. But you match him up against a real center with real center size and he'll get handled. And something I mentioned earlier will always be a problem for Noah. He has a thin upper frame. He lacks broad shoulders that could allow him to bulk up adequately in the upper body. It's something physical he can't do anything about, just like Kevin Willis' short arms. Noah will always be thin and not quite strong enough in the upper body. Like Camby, he can play center against a lot of the other centers in the league, but he's probably better suited to play power forward, since he has the athleticism and agility to keep up with a lot of power forwards and he can play more weak side help defender from that position.

Noah isn't the perfect complement to Boozer. The perfect complement to Boozer would be a player like David Robinson. A guy who can play the high post on offense but is very good defensively in the low post. With Noah, you have two power forwards, both of which offer different liabilities on defense against the elite front courts of the league.

If you're going to talk about what I said or take me to task for something, then just make sure to have what I said right and not make up your own version of it. I said the term undersized typically refers to height and it does; not it only refers to height.

I don't need an in depth write up on Noah's game, physique, strengths, weaknesses, etc. Although unlike you, I'm not so caught up in having a dispute or disagreement that I can't give credit where credit's due. So I'll admit, that's a decent write up.

Defensively, Noah is as perfect a complement to Boozer as the Bulls could possibly get. The ones that are better, they couldn't get, unless they were willing to surrender Rose.

Noah is a good passer, doesn't need the ball on offense to be effective and is an improving and better mid range shooter that he's given credit for being. Is he more of a PF than a true C? Definitely. But I'll let you in on a little secret: So are a lot of so called centers today. That's the way the game is.

[JamStone]

I know what you wrote. I took you to task because you're challenged DoK's assertion that Noah is undersized. You arguing now that it typically refers to height doesn't mean that's why DoK called him undersized so you now putting that into your argument is irrelevant since DoK obviously was NOT referring to his height.

Noah being "as perfect a complement to Boozer as the Bulls could possibly get" does not = "perfect complement to Boozer."

Noah is a good passer, doesn't need the ball on offense to be effective and is an improving and better mid range shooter that he's given credit for being. Is he more of a PF than a true C? Definitely. But I'll let you in on a little secret: So are a lot of so called centers today. That's the way the game is.

Which is essentially what I already said in my post and why Noah can get by playing center against many teams. It's when he plays against real centers that he'll get exposed for being undersized. That's the point.

[TD 21]

Undersized, while it can refer to not only height, as we've established, typically refers to it, therefore it can be misleading when someone refers to a 6-11 guy as "undersized". Did I know he meant? Absolutely. But I can play that game (psycho-analyze every word someone says because I'm intent on arguing with them), too.

Is "perfect complement" the right term? Probably not. But I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you knew what I meant.

[TinTin]

Is "perfect complement" the right term? Probably not. But I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you knew what I meant.

But come on man, we can't be sitting here trying to guess what you mean if you don't post it. None of us know each other to even guess what tone you are talking from.

If someone says to me that the player is 6'11 and he is undersized. I am going to guess his weight

[duncan228]

Rose Doesn't Expect Carmelo Soon
Team USA Notebook
By Chris Tomasson

While Chicago guard Derrick Rose said it's too early to think too much about the possibly having Carmelo Anthony as a teammate, he would love to play with the star forward.

"Why wouldn't I want to play with him?'' the Team USA starter told FanHouse.

ESPN.com reported earlier this week the Bulls are interested in trading for Anthony, who reportedly wants out of Denver, and that Chicago center Joakim Noah is a possible key piece to go to the Nuggets.

"Right now, I think that we have our team (in order for the season),'' Rose said. "If it was something like (a trade for Anthony), I would have heard it (was close) or somebody would have called me. Nobody has called me yet.

"He's still in Denver. He hasn't said he wants to leave. So right now, I'm just playing it between the lines and worrying about what's going on (in Turkey).''