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So whatever Israel says they own, you believe they own.
Big picture, indeed.
The new settlements Israel is building is on land they own. Palestinians dispute all territories, including all of Israel.
So whatever Israel says they own, you believe they own.
Big picture, indeed.
Whatever Palestinians say they own, you believe they own.
Once again, trying to put words in my mouth which I clearly never said. Childish. I'm done.
Actually, you said it yourself in your very next post.
There is no need to go on. Your position is clear.
hahaha that is funny. It's called "disputed territory" for a reason
The Israeli/Palestinian conflict/war is just proof of how insane and idiotic human beings are.
It is proof of how we live in a in' asylum.
Both sides are out of touch with reality.
The fact that the U.S. sides with one side is proof that we are also a bunch of in' idiots here too. Idiots in charge. Idiots following along...taking sides...
Both sides kill. Both sides are fighting for something that they imagined in their idiotic brains.
It is like two idiot gangs fighting for a piece of turf that neither owns, that neither will ever be able to take anywhere with them when they die, and that was invented in their delusional idiotic minds.
it...the lyrics to a song I wrote will just say it better and I just feel like sharing it...
I NEVER SAID
(copyrighted--but will withhold names for obvious reasons)
I see you've ended up at war again
Seems like fear has left you blind and deaf-full of regret
I never said the things your leaders claim to hear
but to love your brother comes before worship-before fear...
And now you're fightin' over the labels...you invented together
And now you're killin' over the borders-you've drawn together
How crazy can you get? I never said
How crazy can you get? I never said
There are concepts that did not exist
Things you invented-and you used my name-though I'm not to blame...
Religion,flags,borders,nationalities...all these are filters to reality
Lose them...and you will see
And now you're fighting over the labels...you invented together
And now you suffer over beliefs...you've imagined together
How crazy can you get? I never said
How crazy can you get? I never said
If you drop your desires...understand your darkest fears
If you get loose from your beliefs...and expose your own prejudice...
Only then will you see...an unclouded reality...
To love is to see...yes ...To love is to see...
And now you've labeled a place... A HOLY LAND
Holy warriors obeying bloody commands!
How crazy can you get? I never said
How crazy can you get? I never said
Yes, to serve a political narrative that has no basis in fact.
Oy, where to begin.
1. Israelis aren't just going to "get over" being moved out of the holy land. Most Israelis are secular, but the religious right in Israel holds most of the political power, and they believe much of Judaism stems from a relationship with the land of Israel.
2. Israelis are different from Jews. Just like Arabs are different from Muslims. Most Israelis are secular, most Jews are not Orthodox, but the Orthodox in Israel have a lot of power. The Israelis are not a "chosen people" - that is a concept from Judaism that pre-dates the state of Israel. And it's a complicated, difficult idea that isn't boiled down easily into a blog post.
3. The modern state of Israel was founded by Britain. They discussed the idea of making the modern state of Uganda the Jewish homeland. It was founded as a kind of reparation for the Holocaust. Prior to 1948 there were many Jews, Muslim Arabs, and Christian Arabs, ethnically indistinguishable as someone noted, living in the land of Palestine. The Arab population increased rapidly in part due to Jordan's expulsion of them.
The fact is they lived there all along, and as noted both populations increased after the British started bugging out. I know you don't believe in democracy or self determination, but things are pretty much always too complicated for you to understand.
As though Israelis were some monolithic group who all think the same.
Many Israelis just want to live in peace.
Many would agree with Vici.
Then there are some Orthodox Jewish Israelis who embrace the concept of "Greater Israel" and believe the state should fight for it.
Then there are some Orthodox Jews who believe that the story of their god commanding the ancient Israelites to slaughter all the native inhabitants of the land as "qorban" is still applicable today.
Oh, by the way, in case any of you are thinking that ceding Palestine to the Muslims will appease them, next on their list would be Al-Andalus. They want that back too. After that would come the Balkans.
As though Muslims were some monolithic group who all think the same.
Many Muslimss just want to live in peace.
Many would agree with the views expressed by HS.
The sensitivity suggested by that gloss cuts completely against the intended crassness and crudity of the prophetic spoof/troll/whatever.
(spoiler alert)
Last edited by Winehole23; 02-05-2011 at 06:00 AM.
nationalism has killed 10s of, maybe 100s of millions of people since the dawn of man. it's going to be our undoing. go with what works. if you base your ideology on what your great great great grandfather was up to, youll never truly live.
Chump........How do you propos we solve the problem between Israel and the Palestinians? I'll go ahead and bump this question until you answer it.
Oh.......and be specific.......with details.
Why do you think it is our problem to solve?
You could be asking the wrong question.
Again, how do you propose we solve the problem?
That's just it; I don't propose we solve the problem.
Israel is an imporant religious and historical place for Jews and as long as Jews can live there, they will. It's a part of Jewish iden y. "transplanting" wouldn't even be an option at this time. i can eventually see a scenario where there could be massive immigration from Israelies to the U.S. if it starts to get really bad around the region. it's only a matter of time before Iran showcases their WMD. i don't think the scenario mentioned is likely, though. Jews and Arabs are likely to fight it out and start WWIII before one of them gives in to the other.
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