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    Really?

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    lolz.

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    Fussing with the window dressing is futile. Radical, fundamental change is needed. I'd not be grieved to see the end of public education as we know it.
    What do you propose then?

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    Let states and communities run schools as they see fit.

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    Have applicants pass merit based entrance exams for college admission. A high school diploma no longer cuts it.

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    End age grade schooling; base advancement on demonstrated mastery of curriculum at the student's own pace, rather than a student's age.

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    Decredential schools and teachers. Let each prove their mettle and earn their reputations.

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    End age grade schooling; base advancement on demonstrated mastery of curriculum at the student's own pace, rather than a student's age.
    You mean like they used to, and pass kids up a grade or two, or flunk others...

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    Decredential schools and teachers. Let each prove their mettle and earn their reputations.
    Let teachers pay be based on merit also. Not just step advances or advances based on their schooling.

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    Beef up the vo-tech track for those less academically inclined. Let those disinclined to go to school at all drop out. Mandatory school attendance serves education badly.

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    I'll repost this.

    Base assumptions: Funding will be adequate and a combo of local/state/federal funding.

    In the TeyshaBlue ISD, all teachers pull the same base salary. All teachers get an additional stipend for extra-curricular duties with the caveat that all extra-curricular stuff, from Drama to Athletics get the same stipend. I'll award bonuses to the top teacher in each discipline. Criteria will be a combination of student-faculty input/pass-fail % relative to their respective classes...ie...a teacher's pass fail index increases 15% over last year, and no other teacher can beat that, then that teacher should be in the running for the bonus.

    The super (me) will pull down exactly 2x the base salary for a teacher. Each Principal will pull down 1.5 x base salary. Each adjunct to the above will be paid 1.25 base salary. All positions will be eligible for inflation-indexed cost of living increases as determined by the local school board.
    In TBISD, all students will not succeed in the contemporary sense. Instead, students will be treated as the individuals they actually are. College bound kids will be prepped accordingly. If college is not in a kid's future by dint of ap ude and ability, then vocational training will be their course of study. This determination can be made as early as their freshman year. Success is measured by their accomplishments both in and out of their programs. It is earned, not awarded. If a student does not succeed in the college prep program, that student will be placed in the vocational program.
    It is possible that a student will not succeed in either. We hate that. We also acknowledge that outcome but cannot be tasked to accomodate it.

    Facility planning, financing and bonding will be the responsibility of the finance committee comprised of a rotating assignment of teachers, board members, and myself.
    Curriculum decisions, including graduation/promotion criteria, will be made by the actual teachers, acting in committee and can be revised as needed. They will make these decisions based upon their experiences with the local population and their own personal knowledge-base. I will have the final say on all curirculum design/revision.
    Our curriculum may be wildly different than the ISD in the next town. We don't care unless they are demonstrably better. If so, we'll co-opt what is applicable to our local district.

    Attendance will not be compulsory. However, upon enrollement, it becomes compulsory. If, after enrollment, a student chooses not to attend class, for reasons classically assigned to truancy, then that student and by extension their family, will be fined a per diem fee based upon actual cost of education. Payment of the fine will be voluntary. However, any fine balance precludes promotion or graduation/certification.

    The line forms to the left.

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    Beef up the vo-tech track for those less academically inclined. Let those disinclined to go to school at all drop out. Mandatory school attendance serves education badly.
    Before the DoE started mandating spending and courses, many high schools used to have "skill centers" that prepped kids for high paying jobs that didn't require college.

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    I will have the final say on all curriculum design/revision.
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    (en serio, i like it)

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    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
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    I know. Winehole ISD sounds better.

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    *shudders to think of the school mascot*

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    I know. Winehole ISD sounds better.

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    Let states and communities run schools as they see fit.
    Forgive my youth/ignorance, but isn't this roughly how it was before the DoE was established?

    Have applicants pass merit based entrance exams for college admission. A high school diploma no longer cuts it.
    Isn't that up to the individual colleges? I would think the states themselves should determine if they want to have exams for all college entrances. (And then again, if a school was willing to accept students without the exams, shouldn't they have the right to?)

    End age grade schooling; base advancement on demonstrated mastery of curriculum at the student's own pace, rather than a student's age.
    Makes sense to me, though I could see where inability to master certain parts of a curriculum may keep a child stuck. For instance, what if the child knows math at an 8th grade level, but English only at a 6th grade level? Do the classic grade distinctions still work?

    Decredential schools and teachers. Let each prove their mettle and earn their reputations.
    Not well versed enough to comment in this area.

    Beef up the vo-tech track for those less academically inclined. Let those disinclined to go to school at all drop out. Mandatory school attendance serves education badly.
    Makes sense to me, though you might get a "You're quitting on the kids" view from the public.

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    I'll repost this.

    Base assumptions: Funding will be adequate and a combo of local/state/federal funding.
    That's a big assumption

    Not bad, actually.

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    Forgive my youth/ignorance, but isn't this roughly how it was before the DoE was established?
    Conforming to all my stipulations? I doubt it. There was a much greater degree of local control than there is now. Local control isn't a cure all, but the levers have to be kept close to the community served IMO.
    Isn't that up to the individual colleges? I would think the states themselves should determine if they want to have exams for all college entrances. (And then again, if a school was willing to accept students without the exams, shouldn't they have the right to?)
    Yeah, that's a desideratum, not a mandate. A reversion to a status quo ante, if you like.
    Makes sense to me, though I could see where inability to master certain parts of a curriculum may keep a child stuck. For instance, what if the child knows math at an 8th grade level, but English only at a 6th grade level? Do the classic grade distinctions still work?
    I see no problem there. Few students will excel at everything.
    Makes sense to me, though you might get a "You're quitting on the kids" view from the public.
    Bring it on. I ain't skeered.

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    That's a big assumption
    Dude! It's rocket surgery!

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    Nicely done. Good ideas.

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    Have applicants pass merit based entrance exams for college admission. A high school diploma no longer cuts it.
    Is an entrance exam all that useful for predicting success? It's one thing to be a good test taker, but in a decent college you'll end up doing a lot of work on problems too difficult to answer in a 2-3 hour exam.

    End age grade schooling; base advancement on demonstrated mastery of curriculum at the student's own pace, rather than a student's age.
    This idea seems extraordinarily expensive. I don't see how you could have a student:teacher ratio any higher than about 4:1 or so if each student gets his own lesson plan.

    Beef up the vo-tech track for those less academically inclined. Let those disinclined to go to school at all drop out. Mandatory school attendance serves education badly.
    This is the biggest change that needs to be made. I know lots of people will be up in arms about schools in poorer communities teaching more people to become plumbers than college students, but I think it's a way more realistic way to get money flowing into the community and hopefully equalize things in the future. The alternative is basically expecting things to change in one generation.

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    *shudders to think of the school mascot*

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    Is an entrance exam all that useful for predicting success? It's one thing to be a good test taker, but in a decent college you'll end up doing a lot of work on problems too difficult to answer in a 2-3 hour exam.
    Why limit yourself to a two or three hour exam? Test all areas intensively. You can't predict success with an entrance exam, but you can determine who already has the chops to cut it.
    This idea seems extraordinarily expensive. I don't see how you could have a student:teacher ratio any higher than about 4:1 or so if each student gets his own lesson plan.
    The German gymnasium system wasn't extraordinarily expensive. What I have in mind is something a bit like that.

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