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Parker was dynamite in the 3rd, but other than that he looked like a rookie, tbh.
The defensive lapse by allowing the three pointer was inexcusable.
98-96 and the worst case scenario is Memphis ties the game and we get one last shot attempt. Overtime at worst. At home.
Basketball IQ of over .0001% says you don't allow a three there. Yet Parker leaves the shooter 15 feet wide open.
While all NBA players are supposed to have basketball i.q., it's a custom that point guards are supposed to have a continually high awareness level.
It was a snooze job.
If it was uncovered he was tanking to gambling lords it would at least make some sense.
Parker was dynamite in the 3rd, but other than that he looked like a rookie, tbh.
Tony should have stepped it up and he didn't. Spurs need him to be the best player on the court night in and night out, but he def wasn't last night. Hopefully he can redeem himself Wednesday!
Spurs fans have such short term memory. Deeming Parker useless in the clutch when there has been so much evidence in pas postseasons to prove otherwise.
Parker had a bad game yesterday, period. For whatever reason...I expect him to full bounce back in Game 2.
Spurs in 5.
Parker had a bad game yesterday, period. For whatever reason...I expect him to full bounce back in Game 2.
Spurs in 5.
Yea he had a bad game overall and still wanted to be a hero where there was not need him being one esp. when he had guys open.
Parker had a bad game yesterday, period. For whatever reason...I expect him to full bounce back in Game 2.
Spurs in 5.
he will bounce back in g2 most probable
bad game? he had an attrocious 1st half. 2nd half was no much better.
and Parker does disapear in the clutch. That is why this team without Manu will lose every single close game.
stunk. will play better. we're o.k. this round.
Oh wait a minute.....is this some evidence that supports my crazy claim??? A lot of what's said in that article is the SAME EXACT I HAVE ALREADY SAID.
You think it would be outrageous to believe a player who is arguably doing more for a team's success enjoys, or is indifferent, to the fact that another player on the team gets more media recognition and also seems to be the fan favorite? Manu shows up in MVP talk, even though he certainly doesn't deserve it for a variety of reasons, and Tony is not mentioned. Manu AND Tim went to the All-Star game, Tony did not. Manu is heavily regarded as the Spurs closer, and the emphasis on the is because it's usually talked about in such a way that makes him seem to be the only clutch player on the team, even though Tony also has his moments during the end of games as well. Well, to be honest, the majority of people would probably not be 100% indifferent to these facts if they were in Tony's shoes, and this is how my original connection came through.
I'm not so sure I wouldn't be 100% indifferent to it all either, and I don't think it's some ridiculous thing, only human. The underlying facts come back to lack of recognition on so many fronts, and I just don't see how making that connection to perhaps (just maybe, not saying it WAS the case) wanting to prove a point is all that outrageous. After all, the sole purpose of making a rap video if you already are filthy rich is to draw attention, like proving a point. Don't tell me he does it because if he didn't, he would feel millions of people would be missing out on his musical brilliance or that he's realistically gonna ever earn significant money for it, even though he already is locked in for a load of it.
Our indisputable team MVP since 2007 has an off-game (where he still got to the line more than anyone else on our team) and people are ready to lynch him.
Parker has been one of the best clutch-time performers we've ever had in San Antonio. It's unreal how spoiled Spurs fans are. There are 23-24 teams that would love to have Parker running point for them. The Lakers would probably kill puppies to have TPark instead of Fisher.
I seriously hate the "what have you done for me lately?" at ude that so many of our fans have here. I get that there's general frustration after a loss, but how about Duncan and RJ who were completely silent in the 2nd half? What about Blair's horrible pass to no one? Who, exactly, stepped up in that 2nd half that warrants going after Parker first? Every possession that we ed up could have changed the game. Anytime we gave away points on easy buckets, that's the fault of our defense. You Spurs fans should know that the game isn't won and lost on OUR missed buckets, but on the ones that we prevent them from scoring. We didn't do that.
This may be a more offensive team, but this is still the playoffs, and our defense has to rise up to shut down the other team. They didn't do that. That's a fault of every man on our roster.
All of this horrible play and we were still within a possession of winning a game without our co-MVP.
tbh all these years of clutchness were flukes, only 2003 matters. parker's a choker.
can someone please remind me how clutch was Tony the last series vs. Dallas when Manu was out on an injury?
or how clutch was Tony last year vs. the Suns when Manu's broken nose was bothering him?
thanks
that play by Parker was to remind all guys here why Manu gets the ball in the final seconds of a game ... although I wish they would run a play through TD or even create an open shot for another player like Neal
truth is Parker is not a game closer. Never has been never will be.
thanks for reminding us ... you are right ... we would not have beaten Dallas last year without some clutch jump shots by TP ... but I only remember one actual game winner at the buzzer (I think it was vs. Philadelphia)
lol
he wasn't. Did you search for duncan and ginobili? Are they always clutch?
And for the record, I can see how this example can be interpreted as a Tony bashing session, that I'm very unsatisfied with him, but if anyone's actually read everything, it's not even close. I simply like to argue (why I spend so much time on ST) and once my argument was established I wasn't going to stop defending my stance. In other words, for the sake of arguing rather than for the sake of bashing TP.We have really different views about all that stuff tbh.
Tony is maybe totally imature in his personnal life but thats not the case in his professionnal life.
If he wanted so much the "glory" and had some jealousy he would never signed an extension with the spurs for a reasonable time and money. He would either went to LA / NY or he would have gone in a sub par team to be the main man and take care about his stats. (or he simply acknowledges that he has better chances at winning a championship with the Spurs, the same reason any player signs with any team. I didn't argue that he flat out plays for glory, but that he may lean towards proving a point at times for a variety of reasons already explained more thoroughly than I don't even know what to compare to.)
All he did during his spurs career contradict what you are saying, last year he went off the bench without problems despite the fact everybody predicted a drama queen behavior. In 10 years in spurs jersey he only showed he is humble and respectful of Pop, Tim and Manu. This year he reduced his FGAs to let the other shine if he was so concern about recognition why in he would have accepted that.
Of course he needs recognition like everybody, he has been disapointed to not be part of the ASG, he is surely also frustrated by the Pop antics... nevertheless he is showing his professionalism. (EXACTLY! You're admitting here that he needs recognition. Not all players care about recognition, but I'd say the vast majority do. I agree obviously that there's some room for frustration on his side, but professionalism is a different thing. It's what comes out during interviews, in front of the camera, on the mic. It's something completely different from inside emotions)
This is the problem when you mix everything personnal and professional trying to connect things. You know what I'm not a fan of TP personality like 2/3 of my compatriots, his behavior with Erin and his rap bs annoy me but all he is doing regarding basketball and the spurs is just showing how this guy is highly mature compared to 80% of the league, he never complains, respect coach decision, doesn't care abou his personnal stats, he is happy to be part of spurs even he is not in the spotlights. (I agree that he is mature compared to the rest of the league, but that also isn't saying much because I would argue that the average maturity level of NBA players is extremely low
So for me think what you want about him as a human being in his personnal sphere but you have to respect his professionalism and maturity on bb sphere.
If this can be directed to me as well:
He just needs to be more aggressive. The Spurs could have won this game with Parker and Hill playing poorly. Imagine if one of them had a good game. Spurs will bounce back strong and win a by double digits. The Griz will be happy to have stolen one game, just like the Nuggets in 05 and 07.
But that's different from people wanting Tony to manufacture a better shot in the crunch...be it a drive and dish to a shooter, running some motion, or getting involved with Tim in the P&R.
My concern is that the Spurs offense when the clock is ticking down has become terribly predictable when it is in Parker's hands. Teams play off Tim (or whoever) on the screen, and let Parker bomb away. There is a reason he is consistently open for this shot, and while Tony's jumper falls pretty consistently overall, I just don't consider it to be the best available shot when the game is on the line.
I love arguing and discussing
so to take the bold part you add in my posts.
A- or he simply acknowledges that he has better chances at winning a championship with the Spurs, the same reason any player signs with any team. I didn't argue that he flat out plays for glory, but that he may lean towards proving a point at times for a variety of reasons already explained more thoroughly than I don't even know what to compare to.)
1- He has better chances to win a ship with LA than with the Spurs but not sure it would have been possible to go playing with LA
2- The fact is prioritizing anyway winning shows that his interest is winning
3- What ??? do you really think any players in the league first priority is winning ? that is huge bull . First interest is money, then big market to earn more money. 90% of the league doesn't care about winning a ring, they care about their contract which is perfectly legitimate. Few are putting aside money to have a shot: Tim, Dirk, the 3 guys of Miami and few others. You think Joe Johnson, Arenas, Mc Grady... are interested first in winning ?
(EXACTLY! You're admitting here that he needs recognition. Not all players care about recognition, but I'd say the vast majority do. I agree obviously that there's some room for frustration on his side, but professionalism is a different thing. It's what comes out during interviews, in front of the camera, on the mic. It's something completely different from inside emotions)
100% of the human being needs recognition in 100% of the aspect of their lives. The guy who say I don't care about what the others said about me is lying big time (I'm not talking about an internet board). Thats the number one principle you learn when you have to manage people, by the way that is true in family circle (kids, wife...). TP is a human being so he needs recognition. Now you are implying he needs more recognition than the others I say there is absolutely no evidence of that in his professionnal career. So no I don't think he does stuff on a court to prove points.
I agree that he is mature compared to the rest of the league, but that also isn't saying much because I would argue that the average maturity level of NBA players is extremely low. And now you're sort of contradicting..and also contradicting with my argument and Tony's own input from that article. I don't think he is 100% happy with not always being in the spotlight
Of course he is not always happy, he is honest about that. For him for instance being part of the ASG is important. Nevertheless most of the time he is fine with his situation with the spurs, he considers Pop like a father (BTW I'm not sure thats a good thing), he is loving playing with Tim and Manu. I'm not contracdicting myself, you are never ever 100% happy about your job or your situation but you know thats the best for you. That is a proof he is mature. IMO he will never do something that will cost a PO win to prove a point, he is no Iverson.
The only thing Tony did bad was to take a ing jumper with 9 sec instead of driving to the hole... (Manu has had those brain farts a lot of times) ....bad shooting was expected against the bears and with no Manu..... people is just releasing their hate... Bonner made two threes and shat all over ST... so the hate goes to Tony.
I love arguing and discussing
so to take the bold part you add in my posts.
1- He has better chances to win a ship with LA than with the Spurs but not sure it would have been possible to go playing with LA
2- The fact is prioritizing anyway winning shows that his interest is winning
3- What ??? do you really think any players in the league first priority is winning ? that is huge bull . First interest is money, then big market to earn more money. 90% of the league doesn't care about winning a ring, they care about their contract which is perfectly legitimate. Few are putting aside money to have a shot: Tim, Dirk, the 3 guys of Miami and few others. You think Joe Johnson, Arenas, Mc Grady... are interested first in winning ?
1. Exactly...so once considering realistic limitations, such as salary caps, LA is out of the option. And, of course other things come into play such as loyalty. Any Spur that jumped ship to go play for LA would be a pretty big traitor, especially if it were one of the big 3. The difference in potential of winning with other teams would also have to outweigh things like these, such as the importance of not coming off as being a massive traitor, moving your whole life (finding a new house, moving all of your in, getting set up elsewhere, etc.).
Yes, I do think for many players their first priority is winning. Especially older, veteran players who have made their fair share of money, like the Big 3. It's well known Manu and Tim have taken pay cuts in the past in order to stay on the Spurs. Other players around the league clearly do that as well.
90% of the league doesn't care about winning a ring? ..that's quite the stat you pulled there. How about the entire Boston Celtics team? It's stacked, and not feasible when paying each player to their potential earning power/value. Thinking 90% of players don't care about winning a ring and are unwilling to make a little less in contract is pretty absurd. Your quality of life doesn't improve much from going from a person with a net worth of $50m to $60m. The extra satisfaction of winning an NBA championship though probably far outweighs that for much more than 10%.
100% of the human being needs recognition in 100% of the aspect of their lives. The guy who say I don't care about what the others said about me is lying big time (I'm not talking about an internet board). Thats the number one principle you learn when you have to manage people, by the way that is true in family circle (kids, wife...). TP is a human being so he needs recognition. Now you are implying he needs more recognition than the others I say there is absolutely no evidence of that in his professionnal career. So no I don't think he does stuff on a court to prove points.
Huh?
And I'm only implying he may seek more than some others on the Spurs roster, but definitely not for the average player, I would never claim that, and I think I was pretty clear.
Of course he is not always happy, he is honest about that. For him for instance being part of the ASG is important. Nevertheless most of the time he is fine with his situation with the spurs, he considers Pop like a father (BTW I'm not sure thats a good thing), he is loving playing with Tim and Manu. I'm not contracdicting myself, you are never ever 100% happy about your job or your situation but you know thats the best for you. That is a proof he is mature. IMO he will never do something that will cost a PO win to prove a point, he is no Iverson.
Not much to say here, other than stating that using Allen Iverson as a comparison should be taken with a grain of salt, because it's Allen Iverson. He's clearly a proven adolescent in a man's body. Can't go much further than that, you have your opinion, in my opinion, I don't think that thinking Tony may want to try to prove a point every now and then, or that he may have last night, is a complete stretch, especially considering everything else we have agreed on, such as him wanting recognition, wanting to be an all-star, seeing that he sometimes comes off as the 3rd wheel by the media in importance to the Spurs compared to Tim and Manu, seeing that Manu is universally viewed as Mr. Clutch even though Tony can be clutch as well and the perception is he is not a closer. No, I still don't think it's a huge stretch.
Globally we reach a point where I see what you mean and I'm pretty sure you see what I mean. We are now in the thats your opinion and I respect it but I disagree which is fine.I love arguing and discussing
so to take the bold part you add in my posts.
1- He has better chances to win a ship with LA than with the Spurs but not sure it would have been possible to go playing with LA
2- The fact is prioritizing anyway winning shows that his interest is winning
3- What ??? do you really think any players in the league first priority is winning ? that is huge bull . First interest is money, then big market to earn more money. 90% of the league doesn't care about winning a ring, they care about their contract which is perfectly legitimate. Few are putting aside money to have a shot: Tim, Dirk, the 3 guys of Miami and few others. You think Joe Johnson, Arenas, Mc Grady... are interested first in winning ?
1. Exactly...so once considering realistic limitations, such as salary caps, LA is out of the option. And, of course other things come into play such as loyalty. Any Spur that jumped ship to go play for LA would be a pretty big traitor, especially if it were one of the big 3. The difference in potential of winning with other teams would also have to outweigh things like these, such as the importance of not coming off as being a massive traitor, moving your whole life (finding a new house, moving all of your in, getting set up elsewhere, etc.).
Yes, I do think for many players their first priority is winning. Especially older, veteran players who have made their fair share of money, like the Big 3. It's well known Manu and Tim have taken pay cuts in the past in order to stay on the Spurs. Other players around the league clearly do that as well.
90% of the league doesn't care about winning a ring? ..that's quite the stat you pulled there. How about the entire Boston Celtics team? It's stacked, and not feasible when paying each player to their potential earning power/value. Thinking 90% of players don't care about winning a ring and are unwilling to make a little less in contract is pretty absurd. Your quality of life doesn't improve much from going from a person with a net worth of $50m to $60m. The extra satisfaction of winning an NBA championship though probably far outweighs that for much more than 10%.
100% of the human being needs recognition in 100% of the aspect of their lives. The guy who say I don't care about what the others said about me is lying big time (I'm not talking about an internet board). Thats the number one principle you learn when you have to manage people, by the way that is true in family circle (kids, wife...). TP is a human being so he needs recognition. Now you are implying he needs more recognition than the others I say there is absolutely no evidence of that in his professionnal career. So no I don't think he does stuff on a court to prove points.
Huh?
And I'm only implying he may seek more than some others on the Spurs roster, but definitely not for the average player, I would never claim that, and I think I was pretty clear.
Of course he is not always happy, he is honest about that. For him for instance being part of the ASG is important. Nevertheless most of the time he is fine with his situation with the spurs, he considers Pop like a father (BTW I'm not sure thats a good thing), he is loving playing with Tim and Manu. I'm not contracdicting myself, you are never ever 100% happy about your job or your situation but you know thats the best for you. That is a proof he is mature. IMO he will never do something that will cost a PO win to prove a point, he is no Iverson.
Not much to say here, other than stating that using Allen Iverson as a comparison should be taken with a grain of salt, because it's Allen Iverson. He's clearly a proven adolescent in a man's body. Can't go much further than that, you have your opinion, in my opinion, I don't think that thinking Tony may want to try to prove a point every now and then, or that he may have last night, is a complete stretch, especially considering everything else we have agreed on, such as him wanting recognition, wanting to be an all-star, seeing that he sometimes comes off as the 3rd wheel by the media in importance to the Spurs compared to Tim and Manu, seeing that Manu is universally viewed as Mr. Clutch even though Tony can be clutch as well and the perception is he is not a closer. No, I still don't think it's a huge stretch.
Just some few points or reinforcements of my view.
- I persist for most of the players money/recognition and more money > ring. I don't consider vet in that discussion, tp is no vet yet. But you're right after thinking only about money, some vets wake up and look for a ring when its too late.
- I do think once in a while tp can do stuff to prove a point but not in a PO game.
If I were TP (but I'm no TP and I'm pretty sure he is handling the situation much better than I would), I would be pissed off to see Pop asking for Hill to be the closer in the fourth. That was some pretty sad stuff to see TP bringing the ball in O, let the ball to Hill and go to the corner 3 to see Hill trying to make a Manu interpretation. crazy stuff if you think about it 2 minutes knowing that Hill is absolutely trash to create plays. I think Pop is doing that because of the FTs capabilities but thats some horrible tactic.
Pop is loosing his mojo or just loosing on purpose the first game of a PO serie to create an emergency state of mind. Either way
I realize that this loss was on the team as a whole, better defense would have put us in a better situation and all that, but I hold Tony to a higher standard, and expect him to know that when the other team's bigs are in foul trouble and we're only up 2 with under a minute left, he has to drive. Absolutely has to. That or give it to Tim.
I personally think he had a pretty decent game, he stayed aggressive even when his layups weren't always falling and got a lot of FT's for us. He created enough to keep us in it, but not enough to win.
Whatever. We'll get 'em next game.
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